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Is this a good deal? by snuffie381
Jan 26, 2008 (11:23 pm)
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2008 335i coupe
Alpine white
red dakota leather
nav
sports package
Sat Radio
automatic
paddle shifters
36 months/10K miles
 
The MSRP of this car is $48,195, the only numbers i have are the monthly payments and out of pocket. $625 a month with $4,900 out of pocket, $625 of which is a security deposit. I'm not sure if this is a good deal or not, i know i don't have the specific numbers to be able to do the calculations, but i'm assuming someone on here can tell whether its a good/bad deal based on the 2 numbers i posted. Thanks.
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Monthly payments by toyotatacoma
Jan 27, 2008 (8:40 am)
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2008i 328i sedan
 
Alpine White
Black Leathrette
Aluminum Trim
BMW assist with Bluetooth
Xenon headlights
 
$34,725 according to BMW website
 
Lease in Texas with:
$3000 Estimated Trade-in Value
$1000 Down
24 months
10,000 miles
 
$359 a month according to BMW website
 
Is this possible?
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Re: Is this a good deal? [snuffie381] by boomer23
Jan 27, 2008 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: snuffie381 (Jan 26, 2008 11:23 pm)

You appear to be putting a lot of money down on the lease. Most people who know about such things recommend not putting any money down on a lease for various reasons. Read posts above for details. If you have the cash, a better deal would be to put it into multiple refundable security deposits, each equal to one monthly payment, and each of which reduces your money factor by .00007.
 
That being said, does your $625 a month include taxes? The base money factor for this car for January is .00245 with 58% residual. If $625 of your $4900 is for a security deposit and there is a standard $625 bank fee and I assume $400 in other fees, you would be putting $3250 of your cash down toward the lease. If I assume that you are getting an $800 discount below MSRP, your payment would be about $625 before taxes. Depending on your local tax rate, if this payment includes taxes, the deal is better than it appears.
 
If the above is true, your dealer may not be marking up the money factor or the bank fee, and may or may not be adding other dealer profit in fees such as "training" or "MACO" fees, but your discount off MSRP is only "okay", and you are putting $3250 cash down on the lease, which is not a good idea.
 
I'd try to get close to this payment without putting any cash down. Use multiple security deposits and try to get a better discount from MSRP. Make the dealer itemize all of these details so that you know what you are being charged. Read up on leasing and get hold of a lease calculation sheet to see if it all makes sense.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [boomer23] by snuffie381
Jan 27, 2008 (5:49 pm)
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Replying to: boomer23 (Jan 27, 2008 4:49 pm)

yes the 625 includes taxes. that being the case, is it pretty good?
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Re: Is this a good deal? [snuffie381] by boomer23
Jan 27, 2008 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: snuffie381 (Jan 27, 2008 5:49 pm)

What's your tax rate?
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Re: Is this a good deal? [boomer23] by snuffie381
Jan 28, 2008 (2:29 am)
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Replying to: boomer23 (Jan 27, 2008 9:21 pm)

6%
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Re: Is this a good deal? [snuffie381] by boomer23
Jan 28, 2008 (3:08 pm)
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Replying to: snuffie381 (Jan 28, 2008 2:29 am)

Yes, looks like a good payment, except that you're putting money down on a lease, which we discussed that most people discourage. My suggestions at the end of my first reply still stand.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [boomer23] by snuffie381
Jan 28, 2008 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: boomer23 (Jan 28, 2008 3:08 pm)

i got the actual numbers, and the tax is 7% not 6%, anyhow
MSRP 48,195
Base Cap Cost of car is 45,850
costs added to lease 1,324
residual 61%
money factor .00245
 
The MSD don't make any sense for me since i get 12% on my money, which in turn makes no sense to put any money down as u said before.
So with this I'd be looking at a payment of 729 a month......pretty good or no?
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Re: Is this a good deal? [snuffie381] by boomer23
Jan 28, 2008 (6:36 pm)
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Replying to: snuffie381 (Jan 28, 2008 3:55 pm)

That $729 payment matches my lease calculator with the details you supplied. That's a fairly typical payment from what I've read, without MSDs and without money down. Nothing fantastic, but not bad either.
 
I see that your cap cost is $45,850, $2345 less than MSRP. If all of that is a discount by the dealer and not from your cash contribution, that is a very aggressive discount on a 2008 335i Coupe. He's probably making some of that profit back in fees, hence the $1324 rolled into the lease. The lowest amount you could expect to pay in fees would be a $625 bank fee. Anything additional is probably dealer profit. This is usually listed as training fees, "MACO" and other fees. To improve the deal, see if you can negotiate any of that $1324 down. (I assume that you're paying a $750 security deposit up front to get the base money factor rate, along with license tags and other minor fees, and that the security deposit isn't rolled into the lease).
 
Congrats on getting 12% on your money in today's economy.
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Re: Is this a good deal? [boomer23] by snuffie381
Jan 29, 2008 (1:27 am)
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Replying to: boomer23 (Jan 28, 2008 6:36 pm)

There will be 1 security deposit, which is part of the 1700 out of pocket and not part of the lease. The 12% i get running money through my own company, which i also do for other people for money lent to my company, 8 percent a year guaranteed...payed monthly.

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