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Please comment on this lease deal by jackals
Dec 15, 2007 (1:27 pm)
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What do you guys think. I'm not thrilled with the out of pocket. If I could get this payment with $3K out of pocket I think I would jump at it. Am I being too greedy? I don't think I can expect anything more off of the car. I think I would try and get the money factor down to possibly .00175.
 
2008 335xi Black Sapphire Metallic / Terra
Cold Weather
Premium
Steptronic
Nav
Sirius
iPod
 
MSRP - $49,820
Selling price - $46,850 ($2970 off MSRP !!!)
Residual (36 mo / 10K miles per mo) - 64%
Money Factor - .0020
 
Monthly payment - $580
Total out of pocket - $3800 ($580 first payment + $600 security deposit + $1,514 tax + $625 acqui. fee + $125 doc fee + $270 registration + sup title fee $188 = $3,902 (he will round it down to $3,800))
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Re: Please comment on this lease deal [jackals] by boomer23
Dec 15, 2007 (11:13 pm)
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Replying to: jackals (Dec 15, 2007 1:27 pm)

Looks like a very good deal. You got almost $3,000 off MSRP and exactly the current buy rate money factor of .0020. The other important thing is that you're not paying anything "down", meaning customer cash down payment that pre-pays the lease, which is not recommended.
 
I don't know how much of those doc fees, registration and supplemental title fees are pure profit for the dealer. You might challenge him on those. The $625 acqui. fee is the lowest they'll try to charge, but it is also pure profit, I hear. I'd work more on the total of those up front fees. The ones I read about most often on forums are something called MACO and training fees, and they usually total between $400 and $500.
 
The money factor is set by BMW Financial Services and can't go lower unless you pay multiple refundable security deposits. You can pay up to seven additional S.D.s. Each one will lower your money factor by .00007, but BMW will have $600 of your money for 3 years for each S.D. you pay. They're probably still a good deal, though, if you figure that you'll save about $5.50 a month for each SD that you give them, so you save $200 over the life of the loan for each $600 that you lend BMW, which is an 11% return on your money, I believe.
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Re: Please comment on this lease deal [boomer23] by jackals
Dec 16, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: boomer23 (Dec 15, 2007 11:13 pm)

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate your input. Doc fee is a BS fee and is pure profit for the dealership. It varies by dealership in NJ but everyone pays it as far as I know. I've seen it as low as $100 and as high as $199. In PA it is a state regulated fee and is $55 at all dealerships. The acq fee is only on leases and not on loans. I'm told that it is there to cover gap insurance. The return on the investment from the multiple security deposits is probably even higher if you figure you are not paying tax on gains like you would on other investments.
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Re: Re-Leasing 05 330ci coupe by jpl
Dec 16, 2007 (11:37 am)
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Hi: Need advice, My lease expires 1/17/07, have 28,300 miles, Love the car, getting older-(63), do not want to go up in payments, but cannot find anything that keeps My interest more than thev BMW (Coupe!!!) Would it be feasible to re-lease the car, buyout is $26,200 , just put $1300 New-Run-Flats on car!! Does BMW work with You on these things, or do They really want the car back????
Also, 1 year left on Maintenance.
                                                                                    Thanks, In Advance
                                                                                                 jpl
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Leasing 328 i by ebro83
Dec 17, 2007 (9:42 am)
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Hey guys , I am interested in some feedback. I am currently negotiating a lease for a 2008 328 I. Right now the offer on the table is:
 
MSRP $39,200
 
Selling Price $37,100
 
$0 Down
 
$547 a month
 
36 Months
12k Year
Money Factor .00100
Residual 67%
 
All taxes and fees are rolled into the monthly. Thoughts????
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residual and money factor by jackals
Dec 17, 2007 (11:20 am)
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How are people able to negotiate the residual and money factor? I have talked to 4 different dealerships about a lease and every single one of them has told me that for 36 mos and 10K miles the residual is 64%. They all presented the same MF of .00200 also. Each has said that these are directly from BMW Financial Services and they are not negotiable. How are people getting better MFs and residuals?
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Re: Leasing 328 i [ebro83] by futurebmw
Dec 17, 2007 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: ebro83 (Dec 17, 2007 9:42 am)

hey there... that's an AWESOME money factor and residual... which dealership are you getting this rate from?? and what is the car you are getting equipped with?? did you have to negotiate the mf and the residual??
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leasing a 328xi by maritza2
Dec 18, 2007 (5:33 pm)
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Hi Car Man & Kyfdx,
I posted my question last week but cant find my own posting to see if it was answered. I'm going to try again.
I got a deal over the phone, but when I calculated the math to figure out my monthly lease payments it came out to $490.33, but the salemen told me $459.46. He also told me the amount due at signing is $2,793 , but I calculated $2,475.69. I cant figure out where is coming up with another $317. I'm a single female & I'm going by myself to try & get a good deal. Please review the figures below & let me know what you think. Thank you.
BMW 328xi, automatic, leatherrette seats, no extra package, 15000miles, 3yr lease.
MSRP $36,350
Residual Value (he said 61%) $22,173.50
Money factor .00165
Due at signing:
1st month $459.46
Security Deposit $0( my BMW lease is up 1-28-08)
Bank fee $625
Title fee $0
Reg. Fee $57.75
License fee $0
Tire recycle fee $12.50
Inspection fee $10.
Documentation fee $45
No cap reduction fee $0
Sales tax $1,265.98
Please let me know what you think. Is he going to come up with other charges when I go in for the signing? Is he not telling me the correct monthly fee, so he can get me in his office & then tell me it's $490, or did I calculate wrong?
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Re: leasing a 328xi [maritza2] by kyfdx HOST
Dec 18, 2007 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: maritza2 (Dec 18, 2007 5:33 pm)

The one figure missing from your calculations is the selling price. You can't figure a lease payment without it..

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