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Re: South Florida Dealers [shay21] by guy1974
Aug 15, 2007 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: shay21 (Aug 13, 2007 6:08 am)

Just had a look, it does not specify mileage but I expect it is 10K a year. Also you have to qualify for Elite status on the credit check - not sure what credit score is needed for this.
 
Otherwise seems a reasonable deal, but the car is the base model with automatic transmission only. So if you wanted metallic paint, sports pack, leather etc then you would be paying more.
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335 i sedan Lease by ixjunitxi
Aug 15, 2007 (5:28 pm)
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Hey guys,
 
I am in the process of leasing a 335i sedan and i just want to know if this seems like a good deal to you guys.
2007 BMW 335i sedan
Msrp 41,750
purchase price 40,900
535 mo with taxes (NJ)
24 mo/15,000 mi (i drive alot and I am young so i don't want to commit to 36 mos this car lot of uncertainty)
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Re: BMW 328i Lease Offer: Need Car_Man's help! [p1dallas] by Car_man HOST
Aug 17, 2007 (2:23 am)
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Replying to: p1dallas (Jun 18, 2007 2:51 pm)

Hi p1dallas. $850 over dealer invoice isn't bad if your lease is being calculated using BMW FS' buy rate lease money factor. Keep in mind though that the dealer is also marking up your car's acquisition fee by $200, so this deal is really more like $1,050 over invoice.
 
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Re: Car Man please help [lamp] by Car_man HOST
Aug 17, 2007 (2:27 am)
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Replying to: lamp (Jun 19, 2007 10:30 am)

Hi lamp. What you were told is correct. BMW is not currently providing lease support on the 2007 3-Series Convertible. Having said this, the money factor that you were quoted still looks a little high to me. BMW Financial Services' buy rate standard lease money factor should be more like .00320 to .00350. There may be a little money factor mark up going on here. BMW's current lease program for this car is scheduled to run through September 4th. It is difficult to say what its new September lease program for the 3-Series Convertible will be like, but I don't personally expect BMW to introduce any lease support on this model next month. It is difficult to say exactly what manufacturers' future programs will be like though.
 
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Re: CarMan: your opinion is sought! [jaydeeoh] by Car_man HOST
Aug 17, 2007 (2:57 am)
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Replying to: jaydeeoh (Jun 20, 2007 10:15 am)

Hello Jeff. I am not personally all that familiar with what the market for this specific model is like right now, but $2,100 over dealer invoice gives you a lot of room to play with. Have you tried to comparison shop with several dealers? If not, doing so is a good idea. I am sure that BMW has a number of dealers in your area.
 
When you finally arrive at a selling price that you are comfortable with, make sure that the dealer that gives it to you uses BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor of .00150 (with the payment of a security deposit) to calculate your monthly payment.
 
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Does Lease, Then Buy as a CPO Make Sense? by oceana143
Aug 19, 2007 (3:53 pm)
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Dealer out near Flint, Michigan suggested that if I want to keep a new 328i for 8 years or about 110,000 miles, 1)lease for three years, 2) have car CPO'ed at end of lease for about $1,300 and 100,000 miles major item warranty coverage, and then 3) buy it with a three year loan at the 2.9-3/9% interest rate that CPOs get through BMWFS.
 
I ran the numbers and it seems that this is a less expensive way to get a new 328i for 7-8 years than buying outright from the get go because of 2.9-3.9% rate vs. 6%+ for a new car. Additionally, the shorter loan term with the CPO would more than offset the five year term of a new car loan.
 
Am I missing anything with this analysis? Pros? Cons? The dealer told me that a larger number of people are following this strategy.
 
Also, does anybody generally order leatherette? How does it hold up and feel in the summer vs. leather? Thank you.
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Re: Does Lease, Then Buy as a CPO Make Sense? [oceana143] by shipo
Aug 19, 2007 (9:55 pm)
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Replying to: oceana143 (Aug 19, 2007 3:53 pm)

The pros and cons are simple:
 
Pros:
You spend less per month
You have the option of dumping the car at lease end if it isn't the car you want then
 
Cons:
You'll spend WAY more for the car than you otherwise should
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Does Lease, Then Buy as a CPO Make Sense? [shipo] by oceana143
Aug 20, 2007 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Aug 19, 2007 9:55 pm)

Shipo, thank you for the response. Please let me know how I spend more based on the analysis. I had it that the 3.9% CPO rate would offset the initial leasing period and $1,300 for CPO prep. What am I missing?
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Re: Does Lease, Then Buy as a CPO Make Sense? [oceana143] by fedlawman
Aug 20, 2007 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: oceana143 (Aug 20, 2007 5:29 am)

How much is the security deposit, cap cost reduction, and other start up costs for the lease? What is the residual value at the end of the lease? What are the monthly lease payments?
 
Shipo will need at least this much info to prove why leasing will be more expensive (it always is).
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Re: Does Lease, Then Buy as a CPO Make Sense? [oceana143] by shipo
Aug 20, 2007 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: oceana143 (Aug 20, 2007 5:29 am)

"Shipo, thank you for the response. Please let me know how I spend more based on the analysis. I had it that the 3.9% CPO rate would offset the initial leasing period and $1,300 for CPO prep. What am I missing?"
 
Because you'll be financing that car for a loooong period of time, first with the lease and again with the buy-out loan (which you have no way of knowing what the finance rate will be in a couple three years). I'm thinking that financing a car for eight years (three year lease, five year conventional loan) would mean that you'll rack up more than twice as much in finance changes as you would if you just paid for the car with a 48 month note. I ran a calculation on a $43,000 financed amount and came out with about $4,000 in finance charges. I then calculated how much you'd pay over the eight years with the lease/buy method and it came to well over $8,000. That money doesn't include any origination fees, conversion fees or CPO fees, which if added in, raises the price even more.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

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