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Re: Good Deal on 2007 328 coupe [l0m6905] by delta737h
Apr 02, 2007 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: l0m6905 (Apr 02, 2007 7:00 am)

Re: #1391
 
10m6905,
 
There is too much information missing to evaluate intelligently. The first thing I notice is a down payment of 2500, yet the cap cost reduction is only 1924.83. This doesn't make any sense. Down payment is included in the cap reduction and is considered to be a capitalized cost reduction. It does not include items that you would pay at lease signing like a license/title/registration fee. People often confuse the term down payment and use it incorrectly to include items that are paid at lease signing.
 
What vehicle are you considering? What is its MSRP? What is your sales tax rate and in which state do you reside? I have no clue what taxes, fees, and dues amounting to 1760.55 consists of... can you itemize these? What is the money factor? Any acquisition fee? If so, how much?
 
If you can provide this info, I'll be in a much better position to navigate my way to an answer.
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Re: Good Deal on 2007 328 coupe [l0m6905] by grafix1
Apr 02, 2007 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: l0m6905 (Apr 02, 2007 7:00 am)

First of all, don't let the salesman tell you that you have to pay sales tax on a lease vehicle. The only tax you ought to pay is your monthly payment. Let's do some math...If the vehicle you're leasing for 36 months should not come out to be more than half of the price of the actual value of the car (rememeber 60% residual. Take $575x35m+$1,924=xyz. This is how you determine whether you're getting a good deal or not. to me, it looks like you're getting ripped. finally always know your numbers on your head before coming to the dealership. Never let the salesdude ask you how much you wan't put down and how much can you afford monthly payment. Tell him give you a best deal possible...Must know the invoice price and start from there. Good luck dude!
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Re: Good Deal on 2007 328 coupe [grafix1] by txbmwfan
Apr 02, 2007 (2:47 pm)
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Replying to: grafix1 (Apr 02, 2007 11:22 am)

You make good points. The only issue is I would raise is that of sales tax. That is going to depend on the state of purchase.
 
Texas is the worst of all scenarious. The lease of your car is treated as a sale of the car by the dealership to the leasing company (who in turn leases car to you). The dealership has to pay state sales tax of 6.25% on the entire capitalized cost (i.e., sales price). The sales tax is passed-on in full to the lessee. It is not possible to avoid payment of this sales tax -- no dealership will lease to you otherwise.
 
Also if you buy the car off-lease, you again have to pay tax on the residual price (because it is considered your purchase of the car from the leasing company).
However, most states don't require the dealer to pay sales tax on the transaction like Texas. Most states just require taxes on the monthly payment (i.e., amortization of depreciated amount and interest on residual).
 
The bottom line is being prepared also means researching your state tax laws for vehicle leasing.
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Re: Southern California - Palm Springs [Car_man] by delfer
Apr 02, 2007 (8:28 pm)
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Replying to: Car_man (Apr 02, 2007 3:06 am)

Thanks carman .. still no posts there. I really wanted some solid leasing numbers on a 2007 Automatic Z4 roadster with Navigation. Doesn't seem like too many people are buying these, as there have been no posts.
 
I'm personally choosing between the Z4 (more within my price range) or the 335 hardtop convertible, which I bet will be about $10K more when it comes out. Any advice on why you might prefer either car?
 
Thanks for all the posts you put out -- I can see why many people turn to this site ... awesome info and input!
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Re: Good Deal on 2007 328 coupe [delta737h] by l0m6905
Apr 03, 2007 (5:50 am)
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Replying to: delta737h (Apr 02, 2007 8:09 am)

Hello Delta737h:
 
here is the addition info:
 
2007 328i coupe-jet black w/leatherette interior,steptronic transmission & tire & wheel protection.
 
Dallas,TX
Texas Tax Rate: 6.25%
MSRP: $37,270+695=$37,965.00 tire & wheel protection(695.00)
Selling Price: $37,965.00
taxes,fees & dues:
state sales tax: $751.25
Dealer Doc fee: $50.00
Vehicle Inspection fee: $25.50
License/title fees: $93.80
Road & Bridge/Deputy fee: $15.00
Acquistion fee: $825.00
total :$1,760.55
 
Trade in 04 525i (leased with BMW leased end April 8, 07) with 40,000 miles
trade in allowance: $25,250.00
Balance owed on trade in: $26,891.23
lease balance: ($1,641.23)
 
gross capitalized cost: $41,366.78=37,965.00+1,760.55+1641.23
 
less cap cost reduction: $1,924.83
 
adj cap cost: $39,441.95
 
Less residual value: $22,410.00
 
=dep & amortized amt: $17,031.95
 
add rent charge: $3,674.17
 
=total base monthly pmt: $20,706.12
 
lease 36 months/ 12,000 miles
 
monthly payment: $575.17
allocation of $2,500 down payment:
cap cost reduction $1,924.83+575.17 1st payment
 
Please help
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Re: Good Deal on 2007 328 coupe [l0m6905] by delta737h
Apr 03, 2007 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: l0m6905 (Apr 03, 2007 5:50 am)

Om6905,
 
Just want you to know that I'll have an answer for you late this evening. Today is my day to teach young impressionable college students. Wish me luck.
 
Good day
 
John
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Re: Southern California - Palm Springs [delfer] by wrobbins8047
Apr 03, 2007 (8:16 am)
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Replying to: delfer (Mar 28, 2007 9:44 pm)

Hey Delfer,
 
I would just build the car you want on Edmunds take a screen shot of that, and send him a note asking to do 500 over invoice. He sent back no problem, and I requested for him to document every fee, and with out haggle he sent back and everything was BMW standards with nothing marked up. This is April now so BMW may have changed the numbers, don't know yet.
 
Thanks,
 
Will
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Re: Good Deal on 2007 328 coupe [l0m6905] by wrobbins8047
Apr 03, 2007 (8:19 am)
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Replying to: l0m6905 (Apr 02, 2007 7:00 am)

Hello l0m6905,
 
This is NOT a good deal, I got more options on my 328i coupe with 0 down, 0 trade-in, and I pay w/tax 569/mth.

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