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Audi A6, Audi A6 Avant, Car Leasing, Sedan, Wagon
#436 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [bondguy1]
Mar 07, 2008 (2:46 pm)
When Audi came out w/ the A6 in 2005, the MSRP was around 41k to start for a 3.2 Quattro. You could get a fully loaded one for just over 50k. Now the same 3.2 Quattro starts 45k. With premium, nav, tech, milano leather, it's over 55k.
As a comparison, you can't buy a fully loaded 2008 MB E class V6 or BMW 5 series for 625/mo w/ $1000 out of pocket 15k miles a year and get all those high end features. Go look on BMW and MB websites for their lease offers. Most of their leases are $4 - $5000 out of pocket if you want to get 600/month. And your NOT getting all the high end options at that price.
I wish eveything stayed the same in life, but it's 3 years later and deals change.
Your lease paymet on your previous A6 was quite low considering all the equiptment on it.
Did you trade out of you 2002 A6? Maybe you had some equity in your car and you put it towards the 2005 A6 when you leased.
#437 of 1482 Any cash incentives current for A6?
Mar 09, 2008 (11:19 am)
It looks like there was a $1500 cash incentive in place in February. Does anyone know if it is still available, or if not, whether there are any replacements?
#438 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [rjlaero]
Mar 09, 2008 (1:37 pm)
Forget that. It's time to say goodbye to Audi. I am looking at a fully loaded Infinity M35 or M45...better NAV system, same HP, free loaner (although some Audi dealerships will do this) and dealer is much closer to my house. I can get a fully loaded 6 cylinder M35 with 1,000 at start w/ 15K/year for $635 plus tax. Audi is getting too big for their britches. They forget too soon about how they were struggling with their crappy reputation a few years ago and nobody would touch their cars. Watch, I'll get my Infinity and in two months, I'll get the call from the Audi salesman to come in and do a deal.
#439 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [bondguy1]
Mar 10, 2008 (5:08 am)
You'll always get a few more gadgets in a Japanese car with Acura and Infiniti, and everbody knows that. There's somthing distinct and special aboout the way German cars handle and drive on the road.
If you can't afford one or are simply to cheap to pay for one, it has nothing to do w/ Audi being too big for their britches.
The German cars are very expensive to manufacture and bring over here. Audi is one of the few companies still building all their cars over in Ingolstat. BMW and Mercedes are building cars in Alabama and South Carolina and still charging top dollar. Audi is crushing Mercedes on reliability. The current A6 is rated as one of the safest cars on the road today in any class. The E class, M35/45, 5 series are not double best picks by the IIHS. They're fine cars, but the build quailty and safety on the A6 are above reproach.
Many Audi's are still priced below what BMW and MB are charging MSRP wise, so there is still a lot of value there, although they are getting more expensive every year.
The US dollar is at an all time low and worth 1/2 as much as the Euro. Audi is making far more money keeping their cars in Europe.
#440 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [rjlaero]
Mar 10, 2008 (11:55 am)
Looked at the Infinity this past weekend. The NAV system rocks compared to the Audi's. The performance is great too. Get the sport pkg on the Infiniti and you've got better handling than the Audi. There is a great road feel with the Audi and I loved driving two of them for the last 6 years. All I'm saying is that there is a lot of choices out there today and I am opening my eyes to a lot of different options. Does the Infiniti drive the same as the Audi...NO. Does it drive great...YES. It's not that I can't afford to drive one. I just prefer not to pay $200 more a month for the same car (and maintenance isn't included anymore like it was on my 05'). Even the Cadillac CTS, the brand new one, is a nice car and one I never thought I would look at until I priced a new Audi.
#441 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [bondguy1]
Mar 10, 2008 (12:17 pm)
Audi Care is $600 that pays for 4/50 maintenace that was free in past. And they will bump the residual 1% to compensate for it, so it esentially pays for itself.
There's $2000 Audi Loyalty money on A6's thru March to my knowledge. So with a good deal from your dealer, I doubt an A6 like you want it will cost you $200/month more on a lease payment than the M35.
Add 40-50/mo to your Infinti lease payment as an average for service. It'll probaly cost you $1500 in oil changes, tune-up, filters, etc to keep an M35 running for 50k miles.
Infinity makes a nice car, so I'm not saying it's not a good car. Most 50k cars are well built and there's plenty of good choices in this market segment.
I'm personally not a fan of Infiniti's "ATM machine" style dash layout.
I'm on my second A6 (Have a 2008 4.2 Sline), and I really like the MMI system in Audi's new cars.
#442 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [rjlaero]
Mar 10, 2008 (12:19 pm)
I love my 2004 A6 2.7T S-line Quattro, and when I bought it I got a hell of a lot more car included "standard" than the BMW 5 series or MB E series offered back then. But it is true that Audi has upped prices and increased the nickel and dime approach. And the new A6 isn't nearly as fun to drive. The 6 cylinder engine is smooth but blah, compared to my 2.7T and the steering and handling now feels more like an American car - too much power assist and not as precise. So I can't agree with you that it has the kind of unqiuely German feel of the BMWs, which are what set them apart from the Japanese luxury cars.
#443 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [donnymac]
Mar 10, 2008 (12:25 pm)
I don't like BMW's steering. It's too heavy. Audi's servotronic lightens up at lower speed and tightens up higher speeds. It's a lot easier to navigate and get into a parking space in an Audi because of the servotronic. Older BMW's can be so heavy at times it almost feels like your driving a car w/o power steering.
I'll admit that Audi's 3.2 A6 is underpowered for the maket and needs more juice. 09 models are going to get the valvelift technology and 10 more hp to 265 from what I here. But it still needs a little more.
Aud's new 2009 A4 coming in the fall is growing by a whopping 6 inches in the wheelbase, and will bring the car very close to the current A6.
If the 09 A4 is so close in size to the A6 and can be had for 40-45k, it's should be a heck of a value and something to consider.
#444 of 1482 Re: Trying To Stay with Audi But Prices Are Crazy High [rjlaero]
Mar 11, 2008 (12:36 pm)
Don't forget that my brakes were also included free before in 05'. I got it in May of 05' when that was still included. First of all, a brake job on an Audi is about 800-900 dollars for the full brakes. I'm not saying they are cheaper on an Infiniti but I have had Japanese cars in the past and most local secondary (not dealer) shops that specialize in Japanese cars will do it a lot cheaper than that. I agree with someone else that mentioned they weren't a big fan of the "piano" style dash on the Infiniti. I'm not a big fan either. I love the MMI as I am used to it after 3 years of driving. Also, didn't know the money off was $2,000 for March. It was only $1,500 in February.I'm not knocking Audi...just wish they didn't increase price so much for same thing.
#445 of 1482 Audi 2008 A6 Lease Offer - Need Advice
Mar 15, 2008 (6:00 am)
Here's the deal. I normally purchase, and do not lease. But I have a unique problem. I just brought in my 2002 Audi A6 due to intermitent engine light. Found out I need a completely new engine / rebuild. Cost is insane. I asked if they would be willing to take the car and lease me a new one. Ignoring the insanity of a car dying at 65k miles even after all maintenance done at the dealer, I thought I might be able cut my losses with a lease. Here's what they offered.
2008 A6 3.2 Quattro
Includes premium package, cold weather package, ipod integration.
msrp $51,315, net Audi loyalty offer of $2000 to get a sales price of $49,315.
Lease end value = 50%
money factor = .00092
They are offering $2000 for my 2002 A6 which is essentially junk value.
This doesn't sound like a great deal. I'd like to get some other opinions. I've copied the offer below. It has the rest of the detail.
First Payment Date: 04/13/08 18) Audi Care: $ 590.00
) Lease Institution: AUDI 19) Cash Cap Reduction: $ 2,000.00
) M.S.R.P.: $ 51,315.00 20) Total Trade Allow: $ 2,000.00
) Residualized Equip: Adjusted Cap Cost: $ 47,476.15
) Mileage Calc: 21) Customer Cash Down:
) L.E.V.%: 50.00% 22) Total Sales Tax: $ 2,067.50
) Lease-end Value: $ 25,657.50
23) ***MONTHLY PAYMENT***: $ 673.35
) Term: 36 Base Monthly Rental: $ 673.35
) Money Factor: 0.00092 24) Security Deposit:
25) License: $ 259.00
) Selling Price: $ 49,200.00 26) Registration:
) Extended Warranty: 27) Upfront Acq. Fee: $ 575.00
) Gap Insurance: 28) Doc Fee: $ 179.00
) Acq. Fee Included: 29) Luxury/Gas Guzzler:
) Dealer Mark-up: 30) Amount Due At Start: $ 4,067.70