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Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Audi A4 Lease Questions
3132 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM
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Replying to: sdseagles (Nov 07, 2008 8:34 am) don't know what part of the county you are in but there are 2009 s4 being sold. they have the 4.2 v8 and not the superchared 3.0 that will be on the 2010. i got the following afs rates from lease compare for 2009 models: 2009 Audi S4 6-Speed Cabriolet 24 Month – Residual 62% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate 36 Month – Residual 54% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate 48 Month – Residual 43% of MSRP – .00324 Base Rate 2009 Audi S4 Tiptronic Cabriolet 24 Month – Residual 62% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate 36 Month – Residual 54% of MSRP – .00304 Base Rate 48 Month – Residual 43% of MSRP – .00324 Base Rate your cap cost will be higher for 2009 but so will your residual. |
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Car man (or anyone who may know), I've started my preliminary shopping and am getting quotes of $400-500 over invoice here in Colorado. However, I am also getting quoted with expensive miscellaneous dealer fees. Dealer #1 - $489 dealer handling fee (non-negotiable) Dealer #2 - $185.88 adverting fee, $195 prep/inspection fee & $183.44 service department pre-delivery inspection fee. Grand total of dealer fees = $564. Dealer #2 even emailed me a PDF copy of their invoice showing the first 2 fees mentioned. My question is, do these $500 of additional fees seem normal? Is there a way to get the car for $0 over the "regular" Edmunds invoice and still have the dealer make a profit once you factor in these fees (as Audi does not offer dealer holdback)? Are these non-negotiable fees simply there to boost the dealer's profit and make it appear that you are getting a good deal if you negotiate down to invoice, or are they actually legit? Basically, can I do better than $500 over Edmunds invoice + $500 in dealer fees? Thanks so much!
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Replying to: jkozlow3 (Nov 07, 2008 5:21 pm) |
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when i leased my audi in late 06, there was no advertising or dealer prep fee. has that changed jescue?
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Replying to: twodomes (Nov 08, 2008 1:16 pm) |
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hey carman (or anybody)! i've got a fairly urgent question. i'm in the chicago area with a fair number of dealerships, so i whipped around the same email to about 8 dealerships, re: a4 2.0T quattro premium plus, MSRP $38000. most of them had similar sale prices, around $36000. for a 36 month lease, 15K with no money down (plus chicago taxes), i was being quoted monthly payments of about $700/month (ouch.) they were using the posted MF 0.00171 and audicare residual of 56%. however, i had one dealer who is offering me monthly payments much less, about $625, similar taxes included. when i pressed for the sale price and money factor, he replied that they could offer a much lower price because they were a wholesaler, for basically $34169. but his money factor was a whopping 0.00219. same audicare residual of 56%. when i mentioned feeling strange paying this inflated MF, his reply was that he was pretty confident that even with the higher money factor, his deal was the best. his quote: "do you want the lower money factor or lower monthly payment?" truth is, he's right. his is the best deal. and i'm having a hard time arguing his point. but it does feel strange. should i just take it? (or am i missing something...) [he's also pressing for me to close this deal before the new MF kick in, citing some new 5-tiered credit score based MF coming out. but i've seen a link that the "general" MF will be less at 0.00169. i'm not sure how this would effect this dealers MF.] |
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Replying to: chiaudiguy (Nov 10, 2008 9:40 pm) |
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Replying to: chiaudiguy (Nov 10, 2008 9:40 pm) |
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Replying to: chiaudiguy (Nov 10, 2008 9:40 pm) It obviously all depends on your situation and if you can walk away from one dealer or another. But I'd tell the dealer to add Audi Care if you haven't already and make the payment $600.00 and see if he can match it. The dealers I mentioned above are very willing to deal and I was easily able to play each against each other. The only thing that may make it different now is that I got one of the first to hit the lot and apparently now they are selling rather well. Either way it looks like you got a very good deal!
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Replying to: chiaudiguy (Nov 10, 2008 9:40 pm) Going from a money factor of .00171 to .00219 will raise your total expenditure over a 3 year period by approximately $1000 - all things being equal. Use any of the several lease calculators online to verify this. You should be able to easily compare your quotes to see which plan is more favorable. IMO, A good deal on a Premium Plus means that your TOTAL pre-tax payments over a 36 month period, 15k/yr come to: $18500 or less without Audi Care $18900 or less with Audi Care (residual is 1% higher) The above numbers do not include any taxes, tags, title fees, security deposit, etc. They are only the total of all pre-tax payments that go to Audi. The security deposit is refundable, so I don't tend to include that in my calculations. |
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