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Audi A4 Lease Questions

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Does Credit/FICO score matter when leasing? by jazz11
Jun 05, 2007 (8:16 pm)
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Just wondering if you can expect a better deal if you have an excellent credit rating when leasing or is a credit rating irrelevant?
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credit by cars0153
Jun 06, 2007 (3:22 am)
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It always plays a factor
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Re: OK, how about this deal? good or bad? [edwardsf] by cars0153
Jun 06, 2007 (3:27 am)
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Replying to: edwardsf (May 31, 2007 4:53 pm)

I agree with you except on #3. These are costs added to dealer invoice and affect the invoice.
Be fair to the dealer
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Re: A4 2.0T Quattro Cabriolet Lease Price [Car_man] by cars0153
Jun 06, 2007 (3:30 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Jun 01, 2007 1:37 am)

I got close to $2700 off
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Lease vs. Buy Conundrum by raudiaudi
Jun 07, 2007 (9:25 am)
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I worked out the math on a 2007 a4 Audi. Now my comparison is lease vs. buy numbers. On the buy side, I would be looking at a finance loan of 35k, 60 mos. at %5.89 with a payment of about 675/mo. Where as the 36 mos. lease is 379/month 10k mi/yr. Here is the kicker. The residual value on the car after the 36mo. lease is at $18,796.40 and the balance on loan after 36mos. on the 5yr loan situation is, $15,243.80. A difference of $3,553.00 less on the loan. But now factoring in $300/month MORE I pay on the loan for the 36mos., this is $10,800.00 total. So was it worth paying 10,800.00 over three years to buy down the value of the car by 3,553.00? My answer is NO! I can take the 300/month an put it in savings or investment, thus offsetting the cost of driving a newer car. I don’t care about the 10k mi. restriction b/c I will buy the car at the end of the lease. This is a great option because if you look up the same car with the “planned” amount of mileage after three years which would be a 2004 model right now, these cars are priced at 25k. This is a good argument to buy the car from the dealer after the lease end for 18,796.40, then sell it on the market and make a few grand or drive it some more. I think I am seeing all angles of the deal, please let me know if something is in my blind side. Basically I am avoiding loan interest for the first three years of ownership, which is a very large savings with the cost of borrowing money these days at a rate around 5.89%. That is how the savings is made in the lease rather than buy of this car, and maybe in taxes, but that is a gray area to me right now since I haven’t researched it yet. I know the purchase after lease situation of ownership has always been regarded as a way to pay the most for a car, but I think in this situation it works out better to lease.
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Re: Lease vs. Buy Conundrum [raudiaudi] by mcwenzel
Jun 07, 2007 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: raudiaudi (Jun 07, 2007 9:25 am)

You won't be buying the car from the dealer, you will be buying it from VCI Account Services, LLC, who Audi assigns their lease rights to. You can buy it at the end of the lease and resell it, but you will be subject to double taxation depending on your state.
 
Also, 2004 A4's are not going for 25k. That might be the asking price, but not the selling price. I know that because I am currently selling a 2004 loaded A4 with 33,000 miles on it.
 
I am in a similar situation in an A4. I leased the car with a ridiculously low money rate of .0004 or something like that, and while the car is worth more on the open market then my residual, factoring in the tax consequences makes it a wash.
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Re: OK, how about this deal? good or bad? [cars0153] by edwardsf
Jun 07, 2007 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: cars0153 (Jun 06, 2007 3:27 am)

Whether those advertising fees are "real" or not, they add to the cap cost of the vehicle. And informed posters here are simply not paying those fees. Sure, one can let the dealer add those fees on if he wants, then one should offer invoice. Actually, right now, people are getting well below $500 above invoice as it is the end of the model year. So I would start well below $500 above invoice (or start at well below invoice if the dealer is adding advertising fees.)
 
BTW, I have never seen a Southern California or Bay Area Audi dealers ad. I see them for Bimmers and Lexus all the time, but I never see them for Audi. The only thing they do is link some poor deal to the AudiUSA website.
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Re: Lease vs. Buy Conundrum [raudiaudi] by cars0153
Jun 07, 2007 (6:09 pm)
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Replying to: raudiaudi (Jun 07, 2007 9:25 am)

lease period. Here are other fsactors to keep in mind. What happens if you don't want o-r like car after 3 years? With the lease your done and have options. With the purchase you still owe money. What happens if the car is not worth the residual(mine wasn't)?
with a lease Audi has the risk. On a purchase you do!
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how to tell by rallyfan
Jun 07, 2007 (7:26 pm)
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how to tell what are good numbers and what bad numbers im sure when you go into a dealer it can be overwhelming
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Re: Lease vs. Buy Conundrum [cars0153] by raudiaudi
Jun 08, 2007 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: cars0153 (Jun 07, 2007 6:09 pm)

I have owned a 2003 A4 before and liked the car, but it was when I could get a smokin' deal on the borrowed money, like 1.9% interest offer. I don't think that hitting a $18,500 residual will be too tough. There was a lawyer that posted something about leasing through Audi Finance as a bad idea because of not being able to sell the car to someone else without getting hit with taxes twice. I am not worried about that, plus it is not true...A lease needs to be thought of as a rental, not a purchase of an item, yes you are getting taxed on the lease payment throughout the course of the lease, but that is expected, as you would have to pay sales tax on the transaction to rent a car for example. What you are getting taxed on when you buy the car for the residual is the residual value of the car, in this case, $18,500.00 which is what you would pay if you bought the car outright anyway, but the taxable amount would be based on the market value of the car today. Audi isn't some special lease company that comes up with their own rules to screw a customer, it is simple business. Being a lawyer, I would hope that the Bumsville, Idaho Cosmotology, Tire, Community College and Law School Center he went to to get his Law Degree would have taught him the difference between a loan and a lease agreement, but I have overestimated lawyers before. Off the rant and back to what I was saying, so yes, if you buy the car from the dealer at that time, there will be taxes, i.e. transfering the car from the dealer to you, since it was a "rental" from the dealer to you, then there maybe another tax situation depending on who you sell the car to at the time depending on the party you sell it to and how straight edge you are with those types of transactions. Anywho, lease does look better in the numbers...

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