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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [Dramirez112] by loonysup
Jan 06, 2009 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: Dramirez112 (Jan 06, 2009 12:34 pm)

I was quoted the following today:
 
39 months/12,000 miles per year
$2,499 due on delivery
Rate- 6%
Residual- $18,426.40
Monthly payment- $335 including tax
 
Based on my calculations, it looked like the residual on the deal was 63% which seems like it would be high if the residual for 10k miles is also 63%. Also, According the salesperson, the sale price is 27200, but I think this might be after applying whatever cap cost reduction that is taken from the 2499. They need to get under 1000 out the door to seal the deal for me.
 
David
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [loonysup] by drtravel
Jan 06, 2009 (8:43 pm)
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Replying to: loonysup (Jan 06, 2009 4:47 pm)

I reversed engineered the deal at acura.com
 
For 39 Months/10K miles per year plus 1605 capital cost reduction:
 
residual = 63% (likely is 62% for 12K per year and 60% for 15K per year)
money factor = 0.0025
MSRP = 29,920
Cap cost = 26,125
Payment = 299.00 plus tax
 
For 12K miles per year the cost is $305.91
For 15K miles per year the cost is $319.76.
 
Acura slightly lowered the money factor from 0.00263 to 0.0025 which still works out at 6%.
 
Suprising to me is that the residuals didn't drop - last month the 36 month residual was 62% for 45K, this month it's only 60% for 48.75K - pretty much the same. Given the steep discounts people got during the past few months, these values are high. A little sub-venting going on?
 
Maybe Acura feels that this will allow their dealers to make a few more bucks upfront. There were many below invoice deals made last month which may not be available now.
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [drtravel] by Dramirez112
Jan 06, 2009 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Jan 06, 2009 8:43 pm)

So my next question is...
 
Is this a good deal?
 
The cap cost is already being sold basically at invoice price hoping thats not including the cash down.
 
Is there anything I can negotiate on?
 
Having two cars at once with Honda Finance...
Increasing the Residual Value & etc.
 
Thanks for the help!!!
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [drtravel] by loonysup
Jan 07, 2009 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: drtravel (Jan 06, 2009 8:43 pm)

So aren't we really looking at a "sale" price of 27730 (26125 + 1605). If that is the case, it seems like there should still be room to play. And this isn't even taking into consideration any dealer hold-backs.
 
I sent a counter-offer to the dealer last night to try and reduce the out of pocket so we'll see how that goes.
 
David
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [loonysup] by bvdj84
Jan 07, 2009 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: loonysup (Jan 07, 2009 5:42 am)

Make sure you all are careful with the money down! Always start with a $0 down deal, to see the true deal. Many times dealers will blur the whole deal with your money's down. Remember that for every $1k you are taking about $20-30 or so off your payment. Start with a sale price, then get a payment, then if you want a lower payment, roll in your down payment. A few above deals seem a little off, with nearly $2,500. Please be careful. Some of those deals are so close to being a payment without your down payment. Those specials posted online are not specials, they are normal priced MSRP deals with money down to make the payment more appealing. Dealers want you to use that special.
 
Go in, ask for a sale price, then tell them $0 down, then later tell them you will put some down, but you might not have to, earlier deals posted had great deals. January might be different in lease numbers, probably not by much though.
 
Why do you see some deals for $199 a month, well look at the fine print, that you need a magnified glass to see it, you'll see at lease $1,000 due. lol
 
Be careful. Good Luck. I hate dealing, love getting a new car.
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [bvdj84] by loonysup
Jan 07, 2009 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jan 07, 2009 8:08 am)

I heard back from the dealer and if I reduce the out of pocket to a $1000, the payments are at $378 (tax inclusive) so they haven't really come down any on their side. I can't help but think that trying to do this deal solely online is not the way to go. It seems like they are more inclined to try harder if you are about to walk out the door. I may visit a dealer or two next weekend to see how it goes.
 
David
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Boy, it sure would be helpful if... by armishanks
Jan 07, 2009 (9:17 pm)
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someone developed a quick form or template so people asking lease questions could have a basis of comparison. I never know if people are talking base TSX or with tech, the impact of taxes, amount of downpayment, etc.
 
A simple template that standardized the info would give us everything we need to evaluate the deal.
 
I am not expert enough in leases to develop it, so I leave that to the smarter posters.
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [loonysup] by bvdj84
Jan 08, 2009 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: loonysup (Jan 07, 2009 1:42 pm)

Good! Try other dealers, the love for the car should not interfere with the practical and financial side of it..lol. Its tough. I know for certain the my local dealer is incredibly overpriced, so I will go to my other dealer 1hr away. I have given them so many chances to give me good service, but they failed every time, and the issue is they don't even care. Bob Rohrman ring a bell! Buyer beware.
#932 of 1551
Looking for Input by djo1113
Jan 08, 2009 (12:31 pm)
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Leasing newbie and new to the leasing spreadsheet, I received a quote on an 09 base TSX with the following terms:
 
12k/36mo
MSRP: $29,920
Sale Price: $26,197
MF: .0025
Residual: 63%
State Sales Tax: 6%
$392.30/month (includes acquisition fee + taxes + titling/registration)
 
Out the door and on the road with 1st months payment.
 
What do I make of this? Given the sale price I feel like I could get them down $15-20/month.
 
Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Looking for Input [djo1113] by drtravel
Jan 08, 2009 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: djo1113 (Jan 08, 2009 12:31 pm)

I played around with your numbers for awhile and came up with this.
 
For a MSRP of $29,920, cap cost of $27,960, residual of 63%, 0.0025 money factor, 36 months, 6% sales tax - came up with a payment of $392.30.
 
You state your sales price is $26,197 - so they are adding in the $595 acquisition fee plus $1,168 which covers license fees plus some sort of cash downpayment to get the cap cost. Not sure about how much your fees are. If I guess $268, then your actual sales price is 26,197 + 900 = $27,097.
 
If this is all true, then a pretty decent deal.

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