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Re: December money numbers [Car_man] by Dramirez112
Jan 06, 2009 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: Car_man (Dec 16, 2008 4:09 am)

Car_Man,
 
I'm looking forward leasing a 09' TSX Base Model... 10k/36mo.
 
I would like to know what should the residual and money factor be.
 
** My mom will be the cosigner and already has a 07' TL Base Model under her name with Honda Finance. (Can I get better deals?)
 
*** She has perfect credit.
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January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL by Dramirez112
Jan 06, 2009 (12:34 pm)
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$299/month w/ $2,500 down
 
Includes down payment and bank fee.
 
I've asked the sales person what the money factor and residual are for 10k/39mo. and he told me its .0025 and %63.
 
How does that work out?
 
$595 Bank Fee (Acquisition Fee)
 
$1905 Down Payment
 
= $2,500
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Jan Lease Rates by aitrus03
Jan 06, 2009 (2:01 pm)
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Car_Man,
 
Hey bud, I am looking for residuals and mf on the 09 tsx base model, non tech package for 36/10k, 36/12k, 39/10k, and 39/12k. MSRP is at 29,720.
 
The dealer can choose to change the mf correct? My score is a 671 so I don't know how that works. But he is not allowed to tamper with residual percent? Those are set out by acura correct?
 
Thanks in advance!
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RE: Jan Lease Rates by aitrus03
Jan 06, 2009 (4:03 pm)
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From above:
 
I am looking for residuals and mf on the 09 tsx base model, non tech package for 36/10k, 36/12k, 39/10k, and 39/12k. MSRP is at 29,720.
  
Can dealers alter money factors and residuals rates if they want? IE tell me resid is 61% when it should be 64%?
 
I forgot to ask above, when leasing, with my score being 671, the dealer told me my money factor was .00355 which is 8.52% which seems fairly high. I can handle this if it is based off my score. But I know they make money on the financing in any deal. So question remains, am I being played with in this area?
 
Thanks all!
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [Dramirez112] by loonysup
Jan 06, 2009 (4:47 pm)
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Replying to: Dramirez112 (Jan 06, 2009 12:34 pm)

I was quoted the following today:
 
39 months/12,000 miles per year
$2,499 due on delivery
Rate- 6%
Residual- $18,426.40
Monthly payment- $335 including tax
 
Based on my calculations, it looked like the residual on the deal was 63% which seems like it would be high if the residual for 10k miles is also 63%. Also, According the salesperson, the sale price is 27200, but I think this might be after applying whatever cap cost reduction that is taken from the 2499. They need to get under 1000 out the door to seal the deal for me.
 
David
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [loonysup] by drtravel
Jan 06, 2009 (8:43 pm)
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Replying to: loonysup (Jan 06, 2009 4:47 pm)

I reversed engineered the deal at acura.com
 
For 39 Months/10K miles per year plus 1605 capital cost reduction:
 
residual = 63% (likely is 62% for 12K per year and 60% for 15K per year)
money factor = 0.0025
MSRP = 29,920
Cap cost = 26,125
Payment = 299.00 plus tax
 
For 12K miles per year the cost is $305.91
For 15K miles per year the cost is $319.76.
 
Acura slightly lowered the money factor from 0.00263 to 0.0025 which still works out at 6%.
 
Suprising to me is that the residuals didn't drop - last month the 36 month residual was 62% for 45K, this month it's only 60% for 48.75K - pretty much the same. Given the steep discounts people got during the past few months, these values are high. A little sub-venting going on?
 
Maybe Acura feels that this will allow their dealers to make a few more bucks upfront. There were many below invoice deals made last month which may not be available now.
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [drtravel] by Dramirez112
Jan 06, 2009 (9:24 pm)
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Replying to: drtravel (Jan 06, 2009 8:43 pm)

So my next question is...
 
Is this a good deal?
 
The cap cost is already being sold basically at invoice price hoping thats not including the cash down.
 
Is there anything I can negotiate on?
 
Having two cars at once with Honda Finance...
Increasing the Residual Value & etc.
 
Thanks for the help!!!
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [drtravel] by loonysup
Jan 07, 2009 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: drtravel (Jan 06, 2009 8:43 pm)

So aren't we really looking at a "sale" price of 27730 (26125 + 1605). If that is the case, it seems like there should still be room to play. And this isn't even taking into consideration any dealer hold-backs.
 
I sent a counter-offer to the dealer last night to try and reduce the out of pocket so we'll see how that goes.
 
David
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [loonysup] by bvdj84
Jan 07, 2009 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: loonysup (Jan 07, 2009 5:42 am)

Make sure you all are careful with the money down! Always start with a $0 down deal, to see the true deal. Many times dealers will blur the whole deal with your money's down. Remember that for every $1k you are taking about $20-30 or so off your payment. Start with a sale price, then get a payment, then if you want a lower payment, roll in your down payment. A few above deals seem a little off, with nearly $2,500. Please be careful. Some of those deals are so close to being a payment without your down payment. Those specials posted online are not specials, they are normal priced MSRP deals with money down to make the payment more appealing. Dealers want you to use that special.
 
Go in, ask for a sale price, then tell them $0 down, then later tell them you will put some down, but you might not have to, earlier deals posted had great deals. January might be different in lease numbers, probably not by much though.
 
Why do you see some deals for $199 a month, well look at the fine print, that you need a magnified glass to see it, you'll see at lease $1,000 due. lol
 
Be careful. Good Luck. I hate dealing, love getting a new car.
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Re: January 6, 2009 TSX SPECIAL [bvdj84] by loonysup
Jan 07, 2009 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jan 07, 2009 8:08 am)

I heard back from the dealer and if I reduce the out of pocket to a $1000, the payments are at $378 (tax inclusive) so they haven't really come down any on their side. I can't help but think that trying to do this deal solely online is not the way to go. It seems like they are more inclined to try harder if you are about to walk out the door. I may visit a dealer or two next weekend to see how it goes.
 
David

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