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#2233 of 2481 2009 TSX w/tech end of lease term - Options Questions
Dec 31, 2011 (3:35 pm)
Hi there. We have a 2009 Acura TSX tech with less than 9,000 miles on it (commute to Metro station a mile away). It is a 39 month lease term and our termination date is May 14, 2012. The Residual Value is $19,692. We are considering keeping the vehicle because, obviously, it's still like new. It seems like it would be worth more than the $19,692 at the end of the lease because of the mileage.
Does anyone know if Acura will finance the $19,692 for us if we choose to keep it, or do we have to use an outside loan company/bank to finance it as a used vehicle? How exactly does it work if you don't want to pull $20 K from your investments? Really not familiar on the way lease terminations work.
Also, our Acura Financial statement says that they cannot give a payoff for another calendar date because "The Payoff Calendar cannot be used for this account. You may have an Illinois payoff sales tax credit available to you. If you are in the last six months of your Lease please contact the Lease Maturity Center at 1-800-708-6555, otherwise please call your branch at 1-800-542-6632 to obtain your payoff quote."
Does anyone in Illinois know if a payoff sales tax credit applies to leases? My guess is no. Yes, we will call AFS, but no humans are there until Monday, so I figured I try here just in case someone knew.)
Thanks in advance.
#2234 of 2481 Illinois double tax structure on leases
Jan 01, 2012 (7:37 am)
This state really jams it too you. When you lease, you pay all the sales taxes just like a regular purchase! All up front rolled into the deal It gets even better. When you purchase at lease end>>guess what, they tax you on that purchase price. So you have two seperate sales tax payouts! The old double taxation trick. In hindsight you would have been better off buying outright but then we are all smarter after the fact. I have not heard of the rebate you mention on early terminations. Doubt that it would add up to much for just 5 months.
Honda does not help you if for example you wanted to have a friend (third Party) buy the car as HFC will only title the sale to you. I'd love to hear how you make out as I have a lease closing out in July with AHFC in Illinois.
#2235 of 2481 Re: 2009 TSX w/tech end of lease term - Options Questions [ecwwb1971]
Jan 04, 2012 (9:07 pm)
I can answer your questions and also (hopefully) clear up the confusion associated with IL lease tax. AFS, able to refinance your lease, but only as a used car. Once a vehicle is titled, it must be refinanced as a "used" or "certified used" vehicle. There is no way around this. AFS, is chartered as an "indirect lender", meaning they cannot finance your loan directly, like a bank. You would need to see your dealer, complete a credit application and be approved again. For explanation sake, AFS, cannot approve a loan or sum of money to an individual, their charter only allows them to purchase a financial contract (on your behalf) from the dealership. Hope that helps. My suggestion would be to shop around for the best rate and term that suits your needs. Explore both AFS (through your dealership) and your bank or credit union. You pick the best deal. The good news is, your price point is set. Your vehicle's residual value is on your contract and neither the dealer, bank or AFS can deviate from that and with Acura resale values, it is usually a pretty good deal. Try comparing your resale value to the asking price of vehicles in the paper that match your year, make and model. Then smile!
You will need to pay sales tax in IL. The sales tax will be included in your lease payoff. You will not be "double taxed". Sales tax on a leased vehicle is paid based on the cost of the lease, not the MSRP of the vehicle. If your lease payment (for ease of math) is $100 per month for 36 months, than you pay sales tax on the $100 x 36 = $3,600 cost of the lease. Then, when you purchase the vehicle at lease maturity, you pay sales tax on the purchase price (residual value) of the car. So yes, you pay taxes twice, but you no you are not double taxed.
In regard to AFS not be "willing" to allow a leasee to sell the leased vehicle to a third party, it's not a question of being willing. They are not able to by law. The finance company does have and cannot obtain a dealer license, which is required by law, to sell vehicles that they do not privately own and operate. In most cases, finance companies would love for leasees to sell their vehicles, it would cut out a lot of the costs associated with lease turn in, reconditioning and resale. The finance company is only permitted to sell the vehicle to party on the existing contract.
Hope that helps with a few things. If you have questions, feel free to discuss with your finance company. They're all fighting for market share and customer service and is sought after like you couldn't imagine, in this industry. Dealerships haggle, but the finance companies deal in volume and will lay out any option available (few due to laws) to you.
I forgot to address the question regarding lease payoff and IL tax credit. Your payoff cannot be quoted online for a future date in IL, because of how the taxes were accessed when you leased the vehicle. You paid the sales tax for the entire lease "upfront". If you payoff the lease early, you are credited the difference of the tax paid on the portion of the lease that you didn't pay, because you bought the car. Yes, you will still pay tax on the higher payoff ( your payoff will be higher than the residual because not all of the lease payments are made if you buy it before the lease matures) but that's IL. And just in case you're wondering, the residual value of the vehicle is the predicted value of you vehicle at the lease maturity. The finance companies have to guestimate this value and stick with it...they're pretty good at it. This is why vehicles with high resale values have attractive lease payments. The payments are determined by the depreciation amount over the time you want to lease the vehicle.
#2236 of 2481 Re: 2009 TSX w/tech end of lease term - Options Questions [demo417]
Jan 07, 2012 (3:45 pm)
Thank you so much for the detailed information. This is exactly the kind of Illinois rules we were looking for.
We did manage to call AFS last week to find out about the tax credit for our situation. Acura would finance the vehicle as a used car like you said, but we would not be eligible for the tax credit through them. If we finance through anyone else (Chase, credit union, etc) we get a tax credit for the residual value at the end of our lease (around $19K). Apparently, we pay the dealership for the residual value plus the 7.25% vehicle sales tax and then we will get the tax back after the whole process is over with - a check from AFS. Not a bad deal for us financially, I think.
Thanks so much. At least we have the Acura figured out for the May lease termination date. Next weekend is Odyssey trade-in time.
#2237 of 2481 January money factor and residuals
Jan 10, 2012 (6:19 pm)
Hello! Just got a TL with Tech and love it! Now my friend is interested in leasing the TSX with tech. Can anyone advise me of the money factor and residual for TSX with Tech, 12,000 mile lease? I understand that there is also a $500 dealer incentive. Is that correct?
#2238 of 2481 January Lease Info on the TSX Sportwagon
Jan 21, 2012 (4:38 am)
Car Man -- would you be kind enough to post the January 2012 numbers (residual, money factor) for a 2012 TSX Sportwagon with the Technology Package? Presuming top credit.
For my area, using Edmunds TMV and TrueCar I'm seeing an average selling price of about 34.4k -- does that normally represent the "out the door" cost, or would there normally be doc fees, handling fees on top of that?
Also interested in Feb numbers, but I suspect those aren't available yet.
Thanks in advance!
#2239 of 2481 Re: January money factor and residuals [labuyer100]
Jan 23, 2012 (5:51 pm)
Here's the information that your friend needs, labuyer100. Acura's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2012 TSX Tech 4-cylinder with 12,000 miles per year are .00061 and 58%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
The last time I checked, Acura was running a volume-based stairstep program on the TSX. This program provides escalating amounts of dealer cash on this vehicle, depending upon how many the dealer sells, anywhere from nothing all the way up to $800 per car.
There's also some $250 dealer cash certificates on this car floating around out there.
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#2240 of 2481 Re: January Lease Info on the TSX Sportwagon [harrigan]
Jan 23, 2012 (5:53 pm)
Here you go harrigan. Acura's January buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36-month lease of a 2012 TSX Sportwagon Tech with 15,000 miles per year are .00061 and 57%, respectively for consumers who qualify for its top credit tier.
I believe that the TMV price is before any fees are added.
The above lease program is scheduled to run through the end of February, but Acura does reserve the right to make unscheduled changes to it.
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#2241 of 2481 2011-2012 TSX SportWagon Base 36 Months 10K/year money factor and residual
Jan 24, 2012 (8:49 pm)
I see you posted the January numbers for 15K/year SportWagon Tech model lease ( .00061 and 57%), how would this numbers differ for SportWagon Base model with 10K/year 36 months lease? Thank you very much!!
#2242 of 2481 Re: January Lease Info on the TSX Sportwagon [Car_man]
Jan 24, 2012 (11:32 pm)
Thanks, Car Man. Much appreciated.