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Re: Lease #s [nring] by 23109vc
Jul 30, 2007 (8:15 pm)
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Replying to: nring (Jul 30, 2007 6:27 pm)

i test drove at another acura dealer. told them i'd negotiate via email/phone and left. they called me and asked what it would take to get me to come down and buy it "tonight". I told them to make me their best offer and I would thinka bout it. the guy starts with some sales pitch about he's going to talk to the GM, but he needs a commitment from me that if he gets what I need, i'll come downa nd buy it.. i toldhim i wasn't promising anyone anything and he could make me an offer and i'd think about it.
 
he started off saying i needed to put down $1200 and it would e about $600/month. i told him i can get a 335 for about that much and i wasn't interested. he said he'd check on whatthey could do.
 
i get another email that says "the GM says we can do 550... wow". yeah wow... i have seen NO concrete numbers. no MF's, no residuals..despite asking for them.
 
they have no 08s. only 07s. i'll start hitting up the dealers who have 08s an dsee what they will do.
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Re: Lease #s [23109vc] by nring
Jul 30, 2007 (8:29 pm)
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Replying to: 23109vc (Jul 30, 2007 8:15 pm)

that is crazy. i just leased a brand new Lexus RX350 for 599/mo with nothing down for 12K miles per year for 3 years for my wife. It was fully loaded with nav and blue tooth and a rear dvd entertainment center for the kids. the MSRP on the Lexus was like 47K. when it is all said and done i cant see paying more then 430-440/mo per month total with tax for an 08 with TL with NAV. nothing down and Top credit. 600/mo you can get a lot more car then a TL I can tell you that. Let me know what you find.
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Re: Lease #s [23109vc] by acura_tl
Jul 31, 2007 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: 23109vc (Jul 30, 2007 8:15 pm)

There are 2 offers for Acura TL on acura.com. One for 2007 and another for 2008 (36 month/10K Miles):
 
2007
MSRP: 34295
Cap Reduction: 2315
Monthly: $369 + tax
Residual: $19891.10 (58%)
Paid at inception: $3279 (Acquisition fee $595 + Cap Reduction + First month)
 
2008
MSRP: 34395
Cap Reduction: 2225
Monthly: $399 + tax
Residual: $21324.90 (62%)
Paid at inception: $3219 (Acquisition fee $595 + Cap Reduction + First month)
 
Based on the "actual cap cost" mentioned on the offer, I believe the Selling price is as follows:
2007: 30,317.68
2008: 33258.22
 
This looks like a very basic offer. I am sure the dealers can do better than this.
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Re: Lease #s [acura_tl] by cpa3
Jul 31, 2007 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: acura_tl (Jul 31, 2007 9:02 am)

acura_tl
 
Do you know what the current lease rate is on these two leases? You are assuming they are changing the selling rate. Maybe they have discounted the lease rate rather. I can get the first one to calculate out at .001 at retail price. The second one doesn't seem to work though...
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Re: Lease #s [cpa3] by acura_tl
Jul 31, 2007 (9:00 pm)
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Replying to: cpa3 (Jul 31, 2007 3:51 pm)

I was able to match the numbers by using the following Money Factors:
2007: 0.00300
2008: 0.00247
 
I calculated the sale price based on the MSRP, Cap Reduction and the "actual net capitalized cost" mentioned on the offer.
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Re: Lease #s [acura_tl] by acura_tl
Jul 31, 2007 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: acura_tl (Jul 31, 2007 9:00 pm)

For 2008 TL:
 
MSRP $34,395.00 (includes destination)
$2,225.00 capitalized cost reduction
Actual net capitalized cost $31,033.22.
 
Based on the above, Selling Price has to be 33,258.22
(33,258.22 - 2,225.00 = 31,033.22)
 
$3,219.00 total due at lease signing ($2,225 Cap Reduction + $595 Acquisition Fee + $399 First Month)
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Re: Lease #s [acura_tl] by cpa3
Jul 31, 2007 (10:11 pm)
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Replying to: acura_tl (Jul 31, 2007 9:21 pm)

acura-tl
 
Do you know that those are the lease rate factors? or are you guessing?
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Re: Lease #s [cpa3] by acura_tl
Aug 01, 2007 (6:46 am)
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Replying to: cpa3 (Jul 31, 2007 10:11 pm)

No, I do not know for sure. These are the rates I get from my calculations to match the values in the offer.
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Re: Lease #s [acura_tl] by cpa3
Aug 01, 2007 (7:49 pm)
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Replying to: acura_tl (Aug 01, 2007 6:46 am)

The reason I asked is because typically with dealer offered specials they are assuming you pay the full msrp. Its up to each dealer to make the deal better. Thats why I would assume that the lease rate is actually lower than what you used in your assuption. Try it again assuming the lease rate changes and the cap cost is based upon MSRP less the cap reduction. I am glad to see others on this board have figured out how to calculate the lease payment. I am always amazed at how few people really understand this.
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Re: Lease #s [cpa3] by acura_tl
Aug 01, 2007 (8:13 pm)
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Replying to: cpa3 (Aug 01, 2007 7:49 pm)

cpa3,
Well, "typically" the manufacturer posts lease specials with some discount over the MSRP. Take a look at the lease offers for the following cars (at the company's web sites):
BMW
Infinity
Audi
You will find that the selling price in all of the offers is lower than the MSRP.
 
Also, based on the information provided at acura.com, the only way you can reach the "actual net capitalized cost" of $31,033.22 is if you lower the selling price. Otherwise this figure does not make sense.
 
An easier way to solve this mystery would be to go to an Acura dealership and have them print the Dealer disclosure statement for this offer. Has anyone here done that already?

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