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#10 of 18 Aint it obvious? by mvandergoot Jun 01, 2006 (3:42 am)
Everywhere I go I see debate about the future direction of motoring. Full electric vs Hydrogen power cells vs hybrid vs etc. It seems to me that most folk are missing the point. Over time we will strive to achieve two things. 1) Better fuel economy and 2) Lower emissions. Cost will only effect the speed at which change occurs because the most efficient systems will eventually be the cheapest. What most of the electric and fuel cell supporters overlook is that many of us do a great deal of highway motoring rather than simply commuting to the office. A 1000 mile fuel cell or battery is a long way away. Banks of interchangeable cell units will never happen because of the financial outlay and space required by the average highway fuel stop. Not to mention the cost of security and theft prevention. E and F might be OK options for a 20 mile trip to work and back but not long range work. So we need to look closer to what is already available. Currently the most efficient cars are petrol hybrids followed pretty closely by the newer european diesel units. Let's stay within the square but stretch it a little. Lets now think biodiesel. It's clean and potentially quite cheap. Lets now link that with hybrid technology. Hybrid technology doesn't do anything all that wonderful. It simply reduces fuel usage at inefficient times (traffic lights, traffic jams and downhill runs) while putting some excess energy back into a semi-efficient battery so a car can pretend to be an electric vehicle while the battery is fully charged and speed is low. Lets now also imagine that the advances made by our electric enthusiasts can extend the capacity of our bio-diesel hybrid's battery, perhaps even to the stage that we could plug it into mains power overnight for a commute to work tomorrow. Let's then imagine a solar panel that could help charge the battery while we were actually on the highway or parked at the shopping centre. And finally lets assume that some of the hydrogen injection gadgets actually worked and include one or a couple of those. The end result might well be a 1000 mile tank that was powered by canola oil, sunshine and water. For about $5.00 a tank. I want one now!!!! Replies to this message: cs1992 (Jun 02, 2006 1:59 am) wlbrown9 (Apr 22, 2009 11:02 am)
#11 of 18 Re: Aint it obvious? [mvandergoot] by cs1992 Jun 02, 2006 (1:59 am)
Replying to: mvandergoot (Jun 01, 2006 3:42 am) How about bio-diesel from algae? Of all the technologies with any potential, genetically manipulated algae looks to have the highest production capabilities.   A short term fix is going to require some sacrifices (more than acceptable IMHO). We need plug-in battery-electric vehicles that can run 40 miles on the battery alone. Most people drive less than 40 miles a day and would have no problem "plugging in" at night when electrical demand is lower. Several aftermarket companies are already focusing on this solution. Imagine if the major automakers did the same. Replies to this message: wlbrown9 (Apr 22, 2009 11:02 am)
#13 of 18 Re: Aint it obvious? [cs1992] by wlbrown9 Apr 22, 2009 (11:02 am)
Replying to: cs1992 (Jun 02, 2006 1:59 am) Okay...less than 2 years later we have a demonstrated PEHV ...40 miles electric, 33 HWY after that. In a SUV or light pickup no less. I like this idea...12 gallon tank for trips and after the overnight charge is gone. 360 miles on gas + the original 40 on battery... Range of 400 miles. Runs of electricity all the time, using either battery or 2.0 L IC to run a generator. Demonstated at the SAE show this week. They used a Hummer but the system would fit other SUVs and light trucks. Raser has an order from PG&E for 2 of these for testing.   I like this idea since my normal communte is about 40 miles, then the golf course is about the same on weekends. This could cut my gas usage to little or nothing on a normal basis. Even when running on the generator 33 MPG is double the normal mileage.   http://www.rasertech.com/
#14 of 18 Goodbye, fuel cells by texases May 08, 2009 (6:08 am)
DOE stops funding fuel cell research
#15 of 18 Moving az to Boston by mniks Jun 18, 2009 (3:43 am)
I am moving in just under 4 weeks and have yet to find a place to move with. I am leaning towards ABF since we don't have much stuff (1 bedroom apt with not much stuff at all) I don't mind packing my own stuff. Mayflower is charging an arm and a leg and I can't afford to pay much. Does anyone have any insight on ABF or other good moving company’s? Replies to this message: kirstie_h (Jun 18, 2009 4:52 am)
#16 of 18 Re: Moving az to Boston [mniks] by kirstie_h HOST Jun 18, 2009 (4:52 am)
Replying to: mniks (Jun 18, 2009 3:43 am) Hi mniks, Our forums focus on purchasing vehicles, and the vehicle ownership experience. This really isn't a good place to find feedback on moving companies. You should perhaps check angieslist, or craigslist.org instead.
#18 of 18 Re: Interim solution [edaisyf] by texases Jul 07, 2009 (6:45 pm)
The HHO technology has bee proven repeatedly to be an absolute scam. Forget about it.

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