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Future Vehicles Jeep Patriot: Styling Impressions
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Replying to: knickerbocker (Oct 26, 2005 8:42 am)
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Replying to: indianrefining (Oct 27, 2005 5:55 am) Patriot: 173.7 Length, 69.1 width Ford Escape: 173 Length, 70.1 Width Jeep Liberty: 175 Length, 71.6 width Don't be fooled... this is a compact SUV !!! Jeep already has the wrangler... it doesn't need another small off roader. What it needs is a good go anywhere midsize suv. As a avid kayaker who regularly drove around with as many as 4-5 kayaks on my car, or 17 ft sea kayaks I loved the functional aspect of the cherokee. Great FWD, low roof line, great utility. That is what jeep is missing... Maybe us outdoor crunchy types are not jeep's main market, but I know a lot of kayakers and mountain bikers who cried the day they discontinued the Cherokee. The liberty is too tall and round to carry a lot of boats. The Grand Cherokee besides being UGLY, has poor rear window visibilty and a useless roof rack system (about a foot shorter than the previous rack) Jeep has obviously left the "U" (utility) out of their recent SUV designs !!! I agree with you about the gas mileage... Personally I would love to see more diesels. I'm hoping the 4 door wrangler will be available with one; Too bad Jeep didn't use more of the Patriot's design in the Grand Cherokee. I think a design like that would have blown away any other SUV on the road and kept all jeep lovers everywhere very happy ! |
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I think most people would like to have a 4x4 that gets above 25mpg. I have owned 6 cherokees and 20 other jeeps. If gas is going to be $3 plus a gallon I want better mileage. The pics of the Patriot show better ground clearence than a Liberty, I hope thats true. Second Issue, just got back from Sema2005, Hummer H3 has to be best stock 4x4 ever made and this is from a guy who has driven only Jeeps for 30 years and offroads them hard. |
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I was in China recently and saw a few Cherokees rolling around.... and then something didn't look right: the front end was completely different on one- Headlamps similar to the Commander with more molded bumpers and edge trim. Seemed like the sheet metal was stamped slightly different on the side panels: a bit more flange. Didn't get to take a picture, but it was clearly a styling update and many of the new-style ones were obviously freshly purchased. So..... Jeep-China is making new Cherokees (although only the 2.5L engine). Don't know why we can't get them (with the 4.0L, of course) Also, FWIIW- In England the Liberty is badged as the Cherokee. I guess they just called it a complete redesign without fear of the outrage that us Americans would have had for desecrating our Cherokees. |
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Replying to: knickerbocker (Oct 26, 2005 8:42 am) --------------------------------- This is a great move for Jeep if they want a bigger share of the market. The hot segment now is crossovers, car based tall wagons that look like SUVs. Jeep only has real SUVs and that's a shrinking market. Not everyone wants 4WD, heavy, rough riding and poor gas mileage vehicles. I saw the Patriot a few months ago but early reports said it was a truck based, RWD and 4WD vehicle so I wasn't interested. Recently I found out it's based on the Dodge Caliber and is FWD or AWD. Now I'm interested. Rugged Jeep good looks on a modern, economical frame. I think quite a few people will agree with me. It may turn off a few Jeep purists that Jeep is introducing a crossover but they still have several "trail rated" vehicles to choose from. And those who never considered a Jeep before, now have a choice.
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It seems that Jeep still refuses to unveil a production-close Patriot. The Caliber/Compass are kinda cool. But what I really want to see is a Patriot, with decent power, decent FE, and decent off road performance!  
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Replying to: claudius753 (Jan 17, 2006 12:39 am) __________________________________ I agree. The Patriot is the one I'm interested in. It's Ford Escape size with a bigger 4cyl and Jeep good looks. I'm not interested in offroad but that should be an option for those who are. Here's my hope...weight under 3200lbs, combined mileage in high 20s and base price under 17k. I think Jeep has a winner here if it's close to those marks. |
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Replying to: claudius753 (Jan 17, 2006 12:39 am) |
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Replying to: twain (Dec 05, 2005 5:25 pm) I'm sure the patriot will be a big hit. But truth be told it will just be one of many small SUVs. Midsize is the way to go in the American market. ...with the exception of the entry level market(which jeep admits they are trying to capture.) And Jeep needs a good utility vehicle; it is their heart and soul. I'm a past jeep owner; currently driving a subaru which is a great car but too small. Size is one reason subaru never carved out a big chuck of the US market; their cars are all built on small platforms; Besides the soccor moms in their supersized SUVs(yes we are still laughing at you since gas prices shot up) most people want a comfortable, MIDSIZE suv or AWD cross over. Again it is a shame Jeep has left the "U"(utility) out of their SUVs I'll just hold my breath for the 4 door wrangler !!! |
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Where'd they put the spare tire on the Patriot? I don't see it mounted on the outside like the Liberty (which, IMO, is a good thing. I prefer a hatch over a side-swinging door). If the spare is inside like the old Cherokee, how much space does it take up? Is Jeep only offering a donut mounted in a rear well? I definetly like the looks of the Patriot over the Liberty, just curious as to how Jeep plans to package this thing. |
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