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Future Vehicles Jeep Patriot: Styling Impressions
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Replying to: clarkkent (Apr 30, 2006 6:29 pm) The CR-V is NOT, I repeat NOT an offroad vehicle. I thought that was a given, but you seem to be arguing with a your straw man perception of my post. So, lets take it down the line again. CR-Vs are NOT offroaders. A Cherokee or Wrangler cannot: - Approach 27+ mpg on the highway, save for the early models of the XJ with the Renault sourced diesel. - Carry passengers in the same comfort. Less legroom, awful back seat (no headrests for Chrissake!), small trunk with tire intruding on space, bulbous center hump through entire vehicle, narrow doors. - Offer same road experience. Awkward ergonomics (they were still using 80's GM-style controls until at least the 97 models; that was replaced by Neon-esque interior which lives on in almost identical form in the '06 Wrangler) - Offer the same supple ride. The solid axles of the Cherokee are not the choice for a compliant ride. They are jittery on rough surfaces, though not as bad as a leaf-sprunk axle under an empty pickup bed. There's a reason that solid axles are not used in passenger cars anymore. They are crude and unrefined... for an application which requires extreme strength, they are marvelous. For a road vehicle, they are terrible. - Offer the same steering feel. The XJ's used recirculating ball steering, with a very slow ratio for maximum precision in precarious tracking, and with extra play and numb feedback to keep jarring impacts from transmitting from the tires to your wristbones. Once you touch pavement, the steering is absolutely horrendous. Get out on the highway, and whip the wheel to and fro through about 5-10 degrees of rotation. Pure slop! The CR-V, on the other hand, is slighty more adept than a typical FWD car in nasty conditions. I don't live in Montana, and barring outbreak of nuclear war, will not. I don't like dealing with the snow in the suburban midwest, being a native sun-belter. You can see from our geographic origins alone that we are looking at two entirely different concepts of a vehicle. For you, an all-terrain capable SUV is a necessity to claw over the river and through the woods of America's Siberia. To me, it's a suburban street car with some extra capabilites for weekend fun. To you, a crossover ute is a wannabe that can't handle your daily needs. For me, it's the perfect best-of-both-worlds blend. It is all the advantages of the SUV form and packaging without the liabilities. You keep talking about the mountains, but there are no mountains here... my Honda has seen mountains twice, and they were pansy Appalacians as experienced on a dynamite blasted interstate grade. It doesn't matter if there is snow piled up, as the plow will be here before I leave the house!  I could just as easily drive a car, except: A - the CR-V does better on ice. Not avalanches of snow, but simple freezing rain. Chains are irrelevant... they are banned in this state because they are not needed and damage roads. B - I traded in my pickup, and I need the space to haul bulky items. With the seats folded flat, I have a great deal of space. C - At 6'2, I don't have much headroom in short cars. Don't get the impression that I am slamming the XJ either. If you have the need for what is essentially an ATV with a weathershell, it is hard to beat. Every single issue which makes it a poor street vehicle allows it to shine in rough conditions. It's on-road performance is simply wretched, and with the large numbers of 4x2, 4 door automatic XJ that were produced, it was clearly most often bought as an alternative to a passenger car, not as, well, a Jeep.
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Replying to: gljvd (Apr 30, 2006 11:24 am) Bob
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Replying to: pegacorn (Apr 30, 2006 9:15 pm) The CRV VS. Jeep is not a true test, as they are two completely different rigs. You might take a look at the new Patriot. Has all kinds of new stuff for a very good highway ride. Roll midigation<sp. etc. |
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Replying to: rsholland (May 01, 2006 5:43 am) Yes but the 1.8 is standard . I would expect the power train and towing set up to be built around that engine instead of the 2.4 and turbo . I doubt we will get 5k , however I think we will get more than 1k . |
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Replying to: what2choose (Apr 29, 2006 7:16 am) The Patriot isn't really a good choice for a FWD vehicle, plus the gas mileage is fairly low probably under 25 combined. I was interested in how the Elantra was going to turn out, but upon it's unvieling its a bit bland looking and I don't like the modest 4AT and 2.0L engine, they should have gone with a GEMA engine. |
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is there anything about gas milage results on either the patriot or the compass?
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Replying to: werm9 (May 14, 2006 1:39 pm) I'm going to assume its close to the same as the caliber with the 2.4 l engine , the low 20s |
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| its somthing they should have released when the specs went public. i think it was somwhere in this forums i read that it may get up to 30mpg. car and driver reported a 21.5 mpg average/ the caliber which is basically the same thing as a compass engine and transmission wise. and it being bigger and heavier it should acutally get worse gas milage than the caliber. worse than 21.5? no ty jeep. i was actually going to buy a caliber but afte car and drivers results i won't be getting one now | |
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| and CVT2 automatic are 23 city / 26 hwy. The Patriot with the same engine and a 5-speed manual trans should be close to those numbers, perhaps even slightly better. | |
Well, I think the Patriot looks great. Jeep really did well, plus, it and its twin, the Dodge Nitro, have a Class III trailer towing capacity. Thats great. I have a 2001 Toyota Sequoia that I only drive so I can tow my boat, and I want to get a smaller SUV. These are the only two that I know of capable of towing the Chapparall. I'll definently be giving these two a look.
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