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Future Vehicles Jeep Patriot: Styling Impressions
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Replying to: clarkkent (Apr 29, 2006 6:58 pm) They should brought back the Cherokee name for the Patriot because that's what it is. CK |
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Replying to: clarkkent (Apr 29, 2006 6:58 pm)  . SUV's have grown larger. As noted, the XJ's were not very large. There are almost no SUV's left on the road smaller. The Wrangler is shorter, but heavier. Even the RAV4 is larger now. The Hyundai Tucson and Kia Sportage are perhaps the only true compact SUV's left! Look at these specs: 84-96 Cherokee 4 door (from Consumer Guide): Wheelbase, in.----------101.4 Overall Length, in.------166.9 Overall Width, in.--------67.7 Overall Height, in.-------63.8 Curb Weight, lbs.-------2955 2006 Honda CR-V Wheelbase, in.----------103.3 Overall Length, in.------181.0 Overall Width, in.--------70.2 Overall Height, in.-------66.2 Curb Weight, lbs.-------3428 Now, the 2006 Jeep Liberty Wheelbase, in.----------104.3 Overall Length, in.------174.4 Overall Width, in.--------71.6 Overall Height, in.-------70.2 Curb Weight, lbs.-------4011 And, just for comparison, the original 93-98 Grand CHerokee: Wheelbase, in.----------105.9 Overall Length, in.------179.0 Overall Width, in.--------70.9 Overall Height, in.-------64.7 Curb Weight, lbs.-------3614 The CR-V is over 10 inches longer, and almost 500 lbs heavier. The Liberty is a bit longer, though in both of these cases the spare tire accounts for a good amount of the length. Also, note that the Liberty has gained over 1000 lbs., 4 lbs in length, and 6 inches in height. Still, both the current Liberty and CR-V are almost the size of the original Grand Cherokee. What has happened is a shift in how we view SUV sizes. In the 80's and early 90's, an S10 Based blazer, Jeep Cherokee, or Ranger-based Explorer passed as a midsize, while smaller vehicles such as the Suzuki Samurai and sidekick represented the compact end. We have forgotten just how small the XJ's truly were! At least, those of us who have never ridden in the back seat of one!!! The (02+)Explorer, Grand Cherokee, and Trailblazer are all a size larger than their predecessors. Compact SUV's have grown to take their place, leaving an opening below them. Even the little Sidekick grew into the larger Grand Vitara! The Patriot has the potential to be the only off-road capable SUV in this this market, while offering the styling that made the Cherokee so popular for so many years. |
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I love the idea of it being a revitalization of the Cherokee, but if I am not mistaken, it is based on the Caliber and compass CAR platform. How truck, or should I say JEEP like will this thing be? I am not an off roader, but like the stiff, up high, rougher ride of a real SUV, not the padded down socker mom trophy car. I love my 03 Grand Cherokee, but like new things every now and again. Would this new machine even come close to what the Jeep linage has been pre liberty?
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Replying to: stumpf2000 (Apr 30, 2006 9:13 am) Its all going to come down to how well the freedom drive 2 works . Sadly my cherokee is slowly dieing and I doubt it will last past this fall. So I have to buy soon and nothing is coming close to my old jeep. I'm hoping this will and whats nice is it will be a good 5 grand or so less than the cherokee when my father bought it new in 1994 and for the price I will get alot more inside (leather seats , chlilzone cooling , 60/40 seats in the back , keyless entry , sunroof , decent stero )
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One spec that is conspicuously absent is towing from the Patriot press release is towing. If it's the same as the Dodge Caliber, which it's based on, then that means only 1000 pounds—which is lousy. The Cherokee, properly equipped, could tow 5000. Bob
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| Dont get me wrong, I love the idea of the Patriot--perhaps a name that is less meant to lure us to buy the vehicle based on national pride, but I am just wondering if this thing will really be as good of a deal/good of a thing as we are making it sound... The price and that hype seem almost too good to be true, I am hopeful, though! | |
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Replying to: rsholland (Apr 30, 2006 10:15 am) Perhaps the caliber was designed around towing with the smallest engine which is the 1.8 . The power train may also play a part in the towing capacity. The patriot is using the 2.4l engine . So perhaps we can get a higher capacity.
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Replying to: gljvd (Apr 30, 2006 9:59 am) I think the Patriot is going to replace the old Cherokee quite nicely. I don't want something bigger. I like the size of my 91 Cherokee. And to the gentleman that has the CRV. I had one too. You can't compare any CRV to a Cherokee. If you took any CRV off road. It would get stuck when it got to any mud over 6 deep" or snow got over a foot deep! and they would power out with 13" of snow. No low range. An awd Subaru will run circles around a CRV. My CRV went into passing gear at 65 any time it started up a 2% grade! You can't drive a CRV in Montana without it being in passing gear 1/2 the time. and that's on a level road!  The CRV is an all wheel drive for ladies who don't want to get stuck on road with an inch or so of snow on them.
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eh , I don't really want to go with a 5 year old car . Who knows whats been done to it over those 5 years . I want a new toy to play with and break and fix and break and fix ... |
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Replying to: clarkkent (Apr 30, 2006 2:36 pm) The CR-V is for folks who want some characteristics of an SUV (high driving position, ability to drive on flooded roads, good traction when the roads are slick, versatile interior with plentiful cargo space), without the downsides that come with a vehicle such as the Cherokee; for example, sloppy driving dynamics, stiff springs, solid axles, and numb steering. The XJs were truly awful on paved roads, much like the TJs, but these same liabilities became assetts offroad. *I owned a Wrangler for a while, but decided that with the infrequency that I left paved roads, it wasn't worth the terrible ride or squirrely handling. I'm sure I'll be run out on a rail for saying this, but I'd love to see the open top, doors off customizability of the Jeep implemented on this chassis. Rather than the Compass which essentially is a Patriot with curvy styling, make a short wheelbase, open top, unibody FWD/AWD vehicle with the traditional Jeep soft top, or even a semi-soft-top setup like the old Amigos and Sidekicks.
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