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Future Vehicles Jeep Patriot: Styling Impressions
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Replying to: indianrefining (Oct 19, 2005 9:36 am) A couple inches longer than the original cherokee, but an inch narrower. It is supposedly not as big as the liberty, but that may be misleading... the liberty includes the exterior mounted spare tire in its overall length... so it appears to be longer.... it is a bit narrower than the liberty as well. Personally I feel Jeep blew it when they discontinued rather than redesigned the cherokee. Obviously people miss the boxy cherokee because we are seeing similar styling in the commander and now the patriot. If they didn't want to redesign the cherokee they should have incorporated its design in the grand cherokee redesign. The grand cherokee is ugly , and the commander just doesn't look right; the dimensions are all off; reminds me of an old isuzu trooper. It is a shame that jeep has wasted their best recent design(patriot) on a compact suv platform; midsize would have been the way to go... midsize with an optional desiel here in the states.... I'm holding my breath for the upcoming 4 door wrangler(which is out in spy shots) in part based on the jeep rescue concept... Supposedly the 4 door will be a different platform( wider as well as longer) than the regular wrangler. |
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Is Jeep having an identity crisis ??? First they discontinue the Cherokee sport; a design that remained popular and iconic for almost 18 years... Replaced it with the Liberty; the SUV version of a VW beetle... all it needs is the flowers in the dash !!! Then they butchered the redesign on the Grand cherokee... a look that only a mother could love !!! So now Jeep has realized it has aleinated its male, outdoorsy market...Also realized that many of us really liked our boxy Cherokee Sports... So they throw together a supersized version... Anyone think the Commander looks like an old Isuzu Trooper; Just doesn't look right; dimensions are off ! Now comes the Patriot !!! Hey looks great... maybe Jeep is getting their act together... NOT... Check out the specs... The Patriot is almost exactly the same size as a Ford Escape... Compact SUV... So Jeep has blown their best design in years on a compact SUV. And Yes I know the Cherokee Sport was sort of compact... but it was also sort of midsize... it really was a unique, capable, and ruggedly handsome vehicle. So what is next... Well the Jeep Rescue concept has blown us all away... but it will likely never go into production... But don't dispair... The talk (and spy shots) indicated Jeep will be making a 4 door wrangler built in part on the Rescue design. Supposively it will be wider and (obviously) longer than the two door version which is also due for a redesign at the same time... Check out the spy shot... they are out there !! Many of us die hard jeep lovers are holding our breath Jeep will work through their identity issues and get back to the basics of making rugged SUVs that are worthy of the name Jeep ! |
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Replying to: knickerbocker (Oct 26, 2005 8:42 am)
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Replying to: indianrefining (Oct 27, 2005 5:55 am) Patriot: 173.7 Length, 69.1 width Ford Escape: 173 Length, 70.1 Width Jeep Liberty: 175 Length, 71.6 width Don't be fooled... this is a compact SUV !!! Jeep already has the wrangler... it doesn't need another small off roader. What it needs is a good go anywhere midsize suv. As a avid kayaker who regularly drove around with as many as 4-5 kayaks on my car, or 17 ft sea kayaks I loved the functional aspect of the cherokee. Great FWD, low roof line, great utility. That is what jeep is missing... Maybe us outdoor crunchy types are not jeep's main market, but I know a lot of kayakers and mountain bikers who cried the day they discontinued the Cherokee. The liberty is too tall and round to carry a lot of boats. The Grand Cherokee besides being UGLY, has poor rear window visibilty and a useless roof rack system (about a foot shorter than the previous rack) Jeep has obviously left the "U" (utility) out of their recent SUV designs !!! I agree with you about the gas mileage... Personally I would love to see more diesels. I'm hoping the 4 door wrangler will be available with one; Too bad Jeep didn't use more of the Patriot's design in the Grand Cherokee. I think a design like that would have blown away any other SUV on the road and kept all jeep lovers everywhere very happy ! |
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I think most people would like to have a 4x4 that gets above 25mpg. I have owned 6 cherokees and 20 other jeeps. If gas is going to be $3 plus a gallon I want better mileage. The pics of the Patriot show better ground clearence than a Liberty, I hope thats true. Second Issue, just got back from Sema2005, Hummer H3 has to be best stock 4x4 ever made and this is from a guy who has driven only Jeeps for 30 years and offroads them hard. |
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I was in China recently and saw a few Cherokees rolling around.... and then something didn't look right: the front end was completely different on one- Headlamps similar to the Commander with more molded bumpers and edge trim. Seemed like the sheet metal was stamped slightly different on the side panels: a bit more flange. Didn't get to take a picture, but it was clearly a styling update and many of the new-style ones were obviously freshly purchased. So..... Jeep-China is making new Cherokees (although only the 2.5L engine). Don't know why we can't get them (with the 4.0L, of course) Also, FWIIW- In England the Liberty is badged as the Cherokee. I guess they just called it a complete redesign without fear of the outrage that us Americans would have had for desecrating our Cherokees. |
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Replying to: knickerbocker (Oct 26, 2005 8:42 am) --------------------------------- This is a great move for Jeep if they want a bigger share of the market. The hot segment now is crossovers, car based tall wagons that look like SUVs. Jeep only has real SUVs and that's a shrinking market. Not everyone wants 4WD, heavy, rough riding and poor gas mileage vehicles. I saw the Patriot a few months ago but early reports said it was a truck based, RWD and 4WD vehicle so I wasn't interested. Recently I found out it's based on the Dodge Caliber and is FWD or AWD. Now I'm interested. Rugged Jeep good looks on a modern, economical frame. I think quite a few people will agree with me. It may turn off a few Jeep purists that Jeep is introducing a crossover but they still have several "trail rated" vehicles to choose from. And those who never considered a Jeep before, now have a choice.
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It seems that Jeep still refuses to unveil a production-close Patriot. The Caliber/Compass are kinda cool. But what I really want to see is a Patriot, with decent power, decent FE, and decent off road performance!  
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Replying to: claudius753 (Jan 17, 2006 12:39 am) __________________________________ I agree. The Patriot is the one I'm interested in. It's Ford Escape size with a bigger 4cyl and Jeep good looks. I'm not interested in offroad but that should be an option for those who are. Here's my hope...weight under 3200lbs, combined mileage in high 20s and base price under 17k. I think Jeep has a winner here if it's close to those marks. |
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