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Future Vehicles Jeep Patriot: Styling Impressions
97 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2007 at 11:30 AM
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I really like the Patriot and am considering making it my #1 choice for a new car. I'll need a new car in June... but could probably hold off a couple months (bumming rides from co-workers, borrowing family members' cars...). What's bugging me is that the other primary interest is the 07 VW Rabbit. Is that a crazy comparison? I know the Patriot is pitched as a CUV and the Rabbit/Golf a little hatchback; but is the size/power/mpg really much different? If I got a Patriot, I'd probably just get a 2WD Limited (AT). I know that's not very faithful to Jeep's core... but I really spend 95% of my time on city streets and carry more groceries than rock-climbing gear. ...of course - I'm also slightly interested in an 07 Elantra... but that is definitely a different vehicle all-together.
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The jeep would weigh alot more than the rabbit and thus get alot worse MPG . I would see the jeep getting in the 18-24 range with the 2.4l engine (only choice) Though i believe the jeep would have much more room than the rabit for storing stuff and for the passengers esp with the seat that you can push back. Aside from that getting the 2wd is kind of a waste on a jeep . You should really get the awd option to help you out in rough weather . |
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Replying to: twain (Apr 07, 2006 7:41 pm) The Patriot it about 1 to 2 inches larger than the 84/2002 Cherokee in width, length and height and wheelbase! Sorry about the columns. It's harder than heck to make them here. Take a look 84/02 Cherokee-------Patriot WB 101.4----------------103.4 L 166.9----------------173.6 H 63.8-----------------64.4 W 67.7-----------------69.1 HeadRoomF 41----------------41.0 LegRoomF 41----------------40.6 HeadRback 40.4--------------39.6 legroomB 37.2--------------39.6 Sure looks like what the Liberty should have been all along. It looks very much like my 91 Cherokee and is almost the exact same size or larger almost everywhere! So how does one say it's so small? It's actually the perfect size! It's not a small SUV. It's a true Cherokee!  The 2L diesel will come. It's going to Europe first, but it will be here. They are making the Patriot with the diesel 2L. We just don't get it here yet. My only concern with the Patriot is the smaller 2.5L engine. 170 hp. Will that be enough? My 91 Cherokee and 98 Wranger have the 4L. The 4L has enough power. I had a Wrangler and Cherokee witht the older 2.5 and it just didn't have enough power. It was find up to 70 mph but after that it had very little.
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The 2L diesel will come. It's going to Europe first, but it will be here. They are making the Patriot with the diesel 2L. We just don't get it here yet. not going to help me when i buy a car this fall . Also with the new diesel law it may be a while before we get tehse . No 2007 liberty diesel . as for the engine . I'm sure it will be fine . my cousin has a caliber with the 2.4 (its not 2.5) and it has some nice top speeds . Of course I espect this to be heavier so it may not be as fast and will most likely get lower mpg |
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Replying to: clarkkent (Apr 29, 2006 6:58 pm) They should brought back the Cherokee name for the Patriot because that's what it is. CK |
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Replying to: clarkkent (Apr 29, 2006 6:58 pm)  . SUV's have grown larger. As noted, the XJ's were not very large. There are almost no SUV's left on the road smaller. The Wrangler is shorter, but heavier. Even the RAV4 is larger now. The Hyundai Tucson and Kia Sportage are perhaps the only true compact SUV's left! Look at these specs: 84-96 Cherokee 4 door (from Consumer Guide): Wheelbase, in.----------101.4 Overall Length, in.------166.9 Overall Width, in.--------67.7 Overall Height, in.-------63.8 Curb Weight, lbs.-------2955 2006 Honda CR-V Wheelbase, in.----------103.3 Overall Length, in.------181.0 Overall Width, in.--------70.2 Overall Height, in.-------66.2 Curb Weight, lbs.-------3428 Now, the 2006 Jeep Liberty Wheelbase, in.----------104.3 Overall Length, in.------174.4 Overall Width, in.--------71.6 Overall Height, in.-------70.2 Curb Weight, lbs.-------4011 And, just for comparison, the original 93-98 Grand CHerokee: Wheelbase, in.----------105.9 Overall Length, in.------179.0 Overall Width, in.--------70.9 Overall Height, in.-------64.7 Curb Weight, lbs.-------3614 The CR-V is over 10 inches longer, and almost 500 lbs heavier. The Liberty is a bit longer, though in both of these cases the spare tire accounts for a good amount of the length. Also, note that the Liberty has gained over 1000 lbs., 4 lbs in length, and 6 inches in height. Still, both the current Liberty and CR-V are almost the size of the original Grand Cherokee. What has happened is a shift in how we view SUV sizes. In the 80's and early 90's, an S10 Based blazer, Jeep Cherokee, or Ranger-based Explorer passed as a midsize, while smaller vehicles such as the Suzuki Samurai and sidekick represented the compact end. We have forgotten just how small the XJ's truly were! At least, those of us who have never ridden in the back seat of one!!! The (02+)Explorer, Grand Cherokee, and Trailblazer are all a size larger than their predecessors. Compact SUV's have grown to take their place, leaving an opening below them. Even the little Sidekick grew into the larger Grand Vitara! The Patriot has the potential to be the only off-road capable SUV in this this market, while offering the styling that made the Cherokee so popular for so many years. |
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I love the idea of it being a revitalization of the Cherokee, but if I am not mistaken, it is based on the Caliber and compass CAR platform. How truck, or should I say JEEP like will this thing be? I am not an off roader, but like the stiff, up high, rougher ride of a real SUV, not the padded down socker mom trophy car. I love my 03 Grand Cherokee, but like new things every now and again. Would this new machine even come close to what the Jeep linage has been pre liberty?
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Replying to: stumpf2000 (Apr 30, 2006 9:13 am) Its all going to come down to how well the freedom drive 2 works . Sadly my cherokee is slowly dieing and I doubt it will last past this fall. So I have to buy soon and nothing is coming close to my old jeep. I'm hoping this will and whats nice is it will be a good 5 grand or so less than the cherokee when my father bought it new in 1994 and for the price I will get alot more inside (leather seats , chlilzone cooling , 60/40 seats in the back , keyless entry , sunroof , decent stero )
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One spec that is conspicuously absent is towing from the Patriot press release is towing. If it's the same as the Dodge Caliber, which it's based on, then that means only 1000 pounds—which is lousy. The Cherokee, properly equipped, could tow 5000. Bob
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| Dont get me wrong, I love the idea of the Patriot--perhaps a name that is less meant to lure us to buy the vehicle based on national pride, but I am just wondering if this thing will really be as good of a deal/good of a thing as we are making it sound... The price and that hype seem almost too good to be true, I am hopeful, though! | |
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