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Scion tC, Scion xB, Scion xA, Fuel Efficiency (MPG)
#44 of 508 Scion xb's odometer is 5% too low
Sep 18, 2005 (3:54 am)
I have owned an xb 2004 since April 2004. I noticed pretty quickly that the odometer reads 5% too low. That is if you drive 100 miles, it reads 95 miles. There was some discussion of this at Scion Life and as I recall this problem occured in both xb and xa in 04 and 05. If you do not believe me try driving the car on a highway and take note of the millage markers for 10 miles or so.
If your odometer is off, the result is that your mpg is 5% higher than your calculation.
The cause of this problem is that US models use different sized tires than Japanese ones (the US diameter is larger).
As for my mpg after 9000 miles--suburban driving about 30mpg, highway driving 35. If I drive at 55 or 60 on a highway I get 39 mpg, but since I mostly drive closer to 70 the mpg falls off dramatically. Its just the aerodianamics of the vehicle.
#45 of 508 Re: new xB mileage [jamesgang]
Sep 18, 2005 (8:14 am)
Hi... I've been looking at an Xb... By the way, I think Scion/Toyota is reall mis-marketing this car. Almost every one I've seen is being driven by a 50+ person. I am almost there too.
Mileage is a big concern of mine.. I'm looking at the Civic Hybrid & Priuis also. I can accept the lower MPG on the Xb vs the MUCH lower cost vs Prius & HCH... even including the tax CREDIT next year. That plus I fit well in the Xb ( 6'2", 250+)
I always drive with MPG in mind (I can get 30mpg on my 98 Lumina with 164k miles on the odometer if I do highway (about 28.5 80% Hgwy), so I am looking at your posts with interest. I live in an area with lots of hills, some 1000 ft ones (Hudson Valley in NY).
Looking for some opinion. Thanks!
#46 of 508 Re: johnnyringo and others... [iluvmysephia1]
Sep 18, 2005 (8:17 am)
I drive like my grandpa used to drive, and hence, get optimum gas mileage. I signal all of my lane changes, too. I have noticed the manners of drivers getting worse in this country and getting worse fast. Semi-truck drivers are as bad as the worst car drivers, too. Gotta get there fast, who cares who we pester doing it. I don't really like any of America's interstates anymore. I prefer back highways and town streets and secluded country drives if I can fit them in. Being in the middle of South Dakota that accounts for about 95% of my driving, so I'm a happy camper in that respect!
I agree about slowing down on the freeway system. I have always driven that way, not just in a gas crunch. Good to hear of somebody else doing it.
Make that another... When I do 65 on the New york Thruway, I feel like I am standing still some times.
Sep 18, 2005 (9:51 am)
I'm curious where the people who are getting poor MPG, think the excess fuel is going?
It can only be used three ways:
It leaks/evaporates --If this was happening, you would see/smell fuel or there would be an obvious issue with your evaporative emissions system, and the computer would know this and your check engine light would be on.
It is somehow consumed do to a "too rich" condition- If this was happening, your "check engine" light would be on, the car would be obviously be running very poorly, and it would be very apparent with any diagnostic test.
I think you are unaware of how you are pushing your little car I think you drive too hard. My MPG can vary up to 10 mpg on an identical trip depending on how I drive and my mood.
Fact: Your xB has a tiny engine and is shaped like a brick, respect that.
My wife (and every woman I know for that matter) drive with the "toggle switch" style.
Floor it, wait until you are about to rear end someone, stand on the brakes. Then floor it again. Coasting for even the slightest moment is never an option.
Some pedal must be pressed hard at all times.
She complains her Expedition gets 11mpg, but when I drive it I get 16.
As far as the complaints about "fraud"; The US Government EPA sets the quoted MPG figures. Manufacturers have no say in how the tests are done. They are required by law to report the figure the EPA gives them.
#48 of 508 Re: MPG [scootertrash]
Sep 18, 2005 (12:22 pm)
I take offense to that comment on "woman drivers". I do not drive with the "toggle switch" method. Also, I do not "push the card" to hard. I'm fully aware of the size of both the engine and the car. Also, understand totally about the EPA. You evidently have never read the "performance" section (under features and specs) of the Scion xB ad on the internet. I am roughly quoting here: "We wouldn't call it an econonomical car if it wasn't" Later in paragraph, "Expect to get 30 city/33 highway mpg-all without sacrificing high performance and low emission". That's them talking, not quoting government EPA which when stated, gives credit to the government. Not meaning to go on here, but don't want to be made out to be a "dumb woman" either.
I've accepted the low mileage, don't want to hash about it anymore, before others learn about the problems and the resale value begins to drop. It's already dropped since August.
#49 of 508 Re: MPG [jfioreslt]
Sep 18, 2005 (12:47 pm)
I agree with three of the last four posts on this subject.
The exception being the offended one.
I too get better mileage driving TheWife's car than she does.
Of course there are exceptions - especially in their own minds
One of the many pleasures in life is driving - be it fast and furious, or slow and easy. Adding a fuel mileage goal just adds a little for us cheapskates. Luckily the xB does not have the mpg gauge - the one where you can actually get 'feedback' while driving. I suspect it would be too much of a daily distraction. I also enjoy watching the brake lights of the cars in front of me. On and Off - On and Off. All the while I'm just coasting along until we are all stopped TOGETHER at the next light or intersection.
For the individual considering buying a Scion - 18,500 miles after buying my 05 xB - I'd do it all over again. That is the single best gauge I can think of. Been back to the garage twice - both for free oil changes and tire rotations. Then, I'm easily pleased, as well as amused
#50 of 508 Re: MPG [jfioreslt]
Sep 18, 2005 (1:53 pm)
First, I had no idea if you were a woman or not, so I'd call your attempt at being offended "a swing and a miss"
However I can state, EVERY woman I know uses the toggle switch method of driving. On,Off -- nothing in between. Mother, Wife, Girlfriends (from before I was married!) co-workers, etc...
You quoted Scion's website. Where did those 30/33 numbers they quoted come from? Oh yeah, straight from the EPA.
My xB is economical, (34+mpg) When I drive it that way.
It's also thirsty when I drive it that way too. It all depends on the driver.
I know for a fact, my xB's mileage can vary by 10 mpg over the same exact same course depending only on style.
Also, You didn't answer, if the car runs fine, where do you suppose the "extra" gas is going?
#51 of 508 Re: Scion Owners: MPG-Real World Numbers [KarenS]
Sep 18, 2005 (2:36 pm)
I have been following this board for awhile as we are considering purchasing a 2006 XB. I see a lot of flucuation on the actual MPG and am curious if any type of study has been done on "normal" driving conditions as opposed to "ideal" driving conditions. The MPG is the main reason we are looking at the XB as we have a long daily commute. Two other things I'm curious about but can't find any other boards on are:
1. those who use this as a commuter vehicle or take long road trips. Is it a comfy ride?
and an important one
2. Does anyone live in a high snow area. I live in the chicago/nw indiana area and have visions of coming home from work after a snowstorm and not being able to get into my driveway because the xb is so low to the ground.
Anyone have any help on these two???
#52 of 508 Re: Scion Owners: MPG-Real World Numbers [prncsspineappl]
Sep 18, 2005 (3:35 pm)
Well, I don't speak from personal experience about snow capabilities, however I recommend reading the forums at www.scionlife.com and type in snow in the search box. Many owners over last winter reported that the xB was almost impossible to fishtail on snow and ice. I live in NH where it snows plenty, and the stability and traction control on the xB will help to curtail skidding on slippery roads. The VSC on the xB is a hidden feature often overlooked and not available on any other car near the price and MPG capability. For more info on stability control, here is an excellent article:
I will be buying one before winter. By all means, invest in 4 snow tires mounted on their own wheels. As for the comfy ride, give it a test drive. I felt it didn't ride like a limo, but it was far from punishing. I guess it depends on what you compare it to. Good luck.