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You are in the Sedans
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Chevrolet Cobalt, Ford Focus, Honda Civic, Hyundai Elantra, Honda Fit, Mazda MAZDA3, Toyota Corolla, Toyota Yaris, Nissan Sentra, Sedan
#979 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [backy]
May 19, 2008 (6:28 pm)
I actually thought the 2002-2005 Sonata was decent-looking. The best Hyundai has had in awhile was the 2006-2008 Sonata. Unfortunately, the 2009 is a little bit softer looking (I'd only want the SE with the 5-spoke alloys). There are lots of more rounded cars as you say, and maybe I wasn't fair about that; but the round charater lines, with the round-ish headlights, rounded taillights, and I think the biggest offender, the rounded greenhouse, give the car a hint of 1996 Taurus.
Now that I look at it again, the greenhouse is what does it for me, or rather, ruins it.
Looking at the sedan competitors, the Civic, Corolla, Focus, Cobalt, etc, they all have a greenhouse that is squared off at the bottom, unlike the Hyundai.
Oh well. Hey, I'm sorry I've been babbling about the Elantra for awhile; I guess I didn't have a lot to talk about. I really don't dislike the car as a whole, just the styling. It certainly wouldn't be at the bottom of my list, but styling keeps it from the top, for me. Otherwise, I really like the products Hyundai is coming out with; I especially like that they keep improving what they put out there (Sonata powertrains, for example). I like Hyundai as a whole, though, and that's saying something coming from a 20 year old Honda afficianado (or is it? haha).
Good night all!
#980 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [backy]
May 19, 2008 (6:31 pm)
I drove a top of the line 2008 cobalt sport pretty recently for over a week in hawaii and it had pretty similar features to the Sonata I got. In fact that cobalt really spoiled me and made me no longer want my elantra. However, it really felt like a not quite refined car still. The steering and pedals were a lot heavier than I was used to and the car's interior was just moderately good at best. Also the 4 speed auto totally wasted the pretty decent engine. I didn't feel like it was a smooth and smart car, more like a rough and sporty. I could never imagine buying it without a ton more refinement first. Also a fun nitpick, the steering wheel audio controls were terribly placed. I accidentally hit mute like 10 times
It's sad when I can say the best features were the cruise control and the sunroof.
#981 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [backy]
May 19, 2008 (6:34 pm)
I could say the same for the Elantra. Hyundai badly needs to put their new Theta-II engines into all their lower end vehicles. Elantra and Tucson being the biggest culprits. An Elantra GT with a 2.4L Theta-II would be a killer car mated to a 5 speed auto. It would basically push itself far closer to the Sonata territory that's it has fallen way behind of. That would have quelled at least half my objections of the current Elantra.
#982 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [moocow1]
May 19, 2008 (7:24 pm)
It would basically push itself far closer to the Sonata territory that's it has fallen way behind of.
And I'm pretty sure that's why Hyundai hasn't done it--it would grab too many sales from the Sonata. Except from people who like squared-off greenhouses.
I'm not sure though why Hyundai hasn't dropped their newer I4 engines, e.g. 1.8 or 2.0, into the Elantra yet. Maybe they figure they'll milk the Beta II engine as long as they can; the tooling must be paid for by now. Also it's competitive in power and FE in the class, although not class-leading in either. At least it's clean, with PZEV available. Maybe also Hyundai figures they'll leave their ol' reliable Beta II engine in the Elantra here in the Land of the 10/100 Powertrain Warranty.
Have you noticed, Elantra sales have picked up lately? They actually topped the Sonata's in April. Pretty good for a car that has fallen "way behind" the Sonata.
#983 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [backy]
May 19, 2008 (8:07 pm)
Ya I know, it's bizarre how people just buy elantras. Well no wait, it's not. Look at how many people buy corolla's, which pretty much aren't much better. There's a little bit of the blind leading the blind in the car world. Same reason why people buy so many Toyotas. You're right though that the Beta-II has held up amazingly well though, but it doesn't really make a difference which engine they have to support. It's not like the Theta-II doesn't get the 10 year warranty also I'm sure one of the main reasons is saving money though.
I compared prices and it only cost me about 2.5k more for the Sonata. Far too small a difference imho.
Another silly observation:
I see some interesting levels of features and refinement between the compact vs midsize models for each car brand.
The Civic and Mazda3 are pretty close to the Accord and Mazda6.
The Impreza is also pretty close to the Legacy.
The Corolla is a little farther behind the Camry.
The Elantra and Cobalt are both pretty far behind the Sonata and Malibu.
The Focus is wayyyy behind the Fusion in refinement/features, however they both have that silly(but cool) sync toy I guess that, the price, and the mpg are enough for most people with those hot sales!
I honestly am not sure how far or close the Sentra/Spectra/Lancer/etc really are to their upper partners. From basic information, it seems the Astra is pretty close to the Aura too.
#984 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [backy]
May 20, 2008 (1:53 am)
The Cobalt, despite it's faults, gets reasonable FE given the size/power of the engine (and better than some manufacturers smaller engines...Suzuki, for example).
However, there are MANY of those other faults in the car...in fact pretty much anything besides the engine.
#985 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [moocow1]
May 20, 2008 (2:07 am)
Uhh, how is the Elantra behind the Sonata? Other than Navigation, name one thing on the Sonata not available on the Elantra?
Heated Seats? Available on Elantra
ESC? Standard on Elantra SE
Satellite radio? Yessir
Maybe it's the fact that the Elantra's Beta engine has a 4-speed while the Sonata just got a 5-speed for the Theta? I have to admit that the Theta is impressive...it's off by 1 MPG highway from the Elantra/Beta. But those Betas have been real reliable, and it's just as advanced as many other engines (CVVT) but they didn't bother replacing the iron block. Why? It works fine.
#986 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [moocow1]
May 20, 2008 (4:05 am)
Maybe the thing of it is that you are not interested in the cars in the class we're discussing here?
May 20, 2008 (8:54 am)
Nope, I'm a compact shopper generally. Also the Sonata actually is in the range between 16-20k also Anyways I think I just made a pretty large amount of commentary into compacts as noted above. It should be noted that I had an Elantra before, that's why I have so many complaints now Of course most of it is really regarding minor issues and lack of major improvements.
#988 of 1205 Re: Cute Ute's [backy]
May 20, 2008 (9:10 am)
What do FE mean again?