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chuck by nippononly
Aug 25, 2005 (3:39 pm)
they reshaped the front end plastic a bit, and cancelled the only hi-po version. They mixed in more of the Mazda-sourced engines with the slightly higher output.If that is a model update, then yeah, I guess they did one! "Of sorts" is definitely an appropriate descriptor for that kind of update though!
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Re: a year? [chuck1959] by nvbanker
Sep 17, 2005 (1:26 pm)

Replying to: chuck1959 (Aug 25, 2005 11:55 am)

I agree on the Ranger. They must be happy with lower sales. As good as they are, even I don't try to steer anybody into one. Just too boring.
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I posted this in another by marsha7
Sep 17, 2005 (5:33 pm)
topic, and was re-directed here...
 
I think high fuel prices will hit GM/Ford where it hurts the most, in their highest profit vehicles, the SUVs...with Delta and NW Airlines in Ch 11, I make a prediction...
  
By July 1 2006, either GM or Ford, maybe both, will file for Ch11...I have read that GM has over 200 Billion in long term debt, and Ford has about 125 Billion in long term debt...add to that they both have pensions underfunded by at least 5 Billion, and they will file Ch 11, jettison their pension plans, and downsize by 50%...
  
The only actual prediction is the Ch 11 filing by one of them...the other thoughts are suppositions...
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It won't be Ford by nvbanker
Sep 18, 2005 (8:06 pm)
Bill will buy his stock back and become a private company before he'll file.
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Re: a year? [chuck1959] by grbeck
Sep 18, 2005 (8:29 pm)

Replying to: chuck1959 (Aug 25, 2005 11:55 am)

The Mustang won't a "one-year (or two-year) wonder." Remember that prior to the 2005 model the Mustang was still selling at the rate of well over 100,000 units per year...and that was when the car was based on an ancient platform. No doubt Mustang demand will cool off, but the car will still be a good seller for Ford.
 
The Mustang - like the Corvette - has a built-in audience, as it has reached icon status. Unless Ford really messes it up, I doubt that Mustang sales will drop to an unprofitable level.
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Re: a year? [grbeck] by chuck1959
Sep 18, 2005 (8:33 pm)

Replying to: grbeck (Sep 18, 2005 8:29 pm)

ou are definatally right it will not be a one or two year wonder. It never has been. Wait I forgot about those dark "Mustang II" days! Did those sell that well. You never seen any on the road anymore.
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Bankruptcy by grbeck
Sep 18, 2005 (8:34 pm)
Despite popular belief, Ford (or GM) can't merely go to court, ask for a declaration of bankruptcy, and walk out with a clean slate. The judge - if he or she is doing his/her job properly - will carefully look at the company's cash flow, assets and cash reserves. Plus, interested parties, such as the UAW and suppliers, can file motions in opposition to the company's declaration of bankruptcy.
 
If Ford's financial position does dramatically deteriorate, I would imagine that the company will have enough ammunition to finally convince the UAW of the seriousness of the situation. Then you'll see the union make concessions very quickly, especially in regards to health care costs and factory closures. Some or all of Fords' foreign acquisitions could be sold, and even Lincoln-Mercury could be shuttered.
 
Bottom line - there is still a lot of fat that should be cut before Ford can even think of declaring bankruptcy.
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Re: a year? [chuck1959] by grbeck
Sep 18, 2005 (8:40 pm)

Replying to: chuck1959 (Sep 18, 2005 8:33 pm)

The Mustang II sold almost 400,000 units in 1974! Sales fell by almost half for 1975, and stayed at that level through 1978, after which the Mustang II was replaced by the Fox-platform cars.
 
Even the lower sales level from 1975-78 was still well above the sales of the bloated 1971-73 models.
 
So, despite the abuse that has been heaped on the Mustang II over the years, it has to be considered a sales success. It carried the nameplate through some years that were difficult for both Ford and the industry as a whole.
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Re: a year? [grbeck] by chuck1959
Sep 18, 2005 (8:53 pm)

Replying to: grbeck (Sep 18, 2005 8:40 pm)

Thnaks for the info. That sure was a higher number than I expected. After making that post I remember a friend of mine bought a fully load '78. I believe it was a Mustang II Ghia? A woman friend I kew in Longview had one in that god awful "lipsick" red (???) with white vinly top and interior.
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Ford and GM... by mirth
Sep 19, 2005 (9:05 am)
...have far to much cash on hand ($20-30 billion with a "B") to go bankrupt within this decade. To put it in perspective - GM had one of their worst first quarters ever this year and lost $1 billion. They could keep that loss up for another 5 years ($4 billion/year) and still not quite eat up all their cash. No, the Detroit autos won't be going bankrupt any time soon.

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