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Re: HP race out of control!!! [stickguy] by 2zmax
Oct 28, 2005 (6:43 am)

Replying to: stickguy (Oct 28, 2005 6:19 am)

Well,
I haven't driven one yet, so I can't really say much about it. But I've driven the competition, and I can say that out of the Camcordniss I prefer the 3.5 VQ, Altima, because it has lot's more power, and it feels quicker. Now if Fusion had that much power, and the rest of its’ goodies - it Would be PERFECT. But I guess nothing is perfect.
Oh well, maybe when Ford puts 3.5 into the Fusion in 07, it will really be a best selling mid size sedan. ( I hope)
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Re: NEW FUSION [2zmax] by nitromax
Oct 28, 2005 (7:02 am)

Replying to: 2zmax (Oct 28, 2005 5:46 am)

But I can't see myself driving it, because every time I'd want to "play" a bit, it will disappoint me. I think that it needs, if not a class leading HP, at least a 250, to make it a Camcord Killer. But in any case - it is gorgeous car - Thumbs way UP !
 
Camcord didn't get popular because of their HP. They got popular because of thier reliability. So dumping a bigger engine in it will make it better?
 
Were you around in the 80's when the HP wars between Mustangs and Iroc Z-28s were flirting with 210 HP using 8 cyl engines? I'm guessing no.
 
A V6 that puts out 220 HP/200 TQ is more than enough for a car.
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V6 by stickguy
Oct 28, 2005 (7:33 am)
and not to beat a dead horse, but the majority of CamCordImas are actually sold as 4 cyl. Something like 75-80%?
 
Always remember that most of the regulars the post here are really outliers in the automotive spectrum. We want 300hp AWD 6 speed manual quasie-rally cars for carting the kids around, but most people buy 4 cyl AT Camry LE or Accord LX.
 
I do recall that the Altima suffers from the bane of the FWD V6- torque steer. Too much power though the front end can be detrimental to balance and control.
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Re: V6 [stickguy] by john_324
Oct 28, 2005 (9:00 am)

Replying to: stickguy (Oct 28, 2005 7:33 am)

"Always remember that most of the regulars the post here are really outliers in the automotive spectrum. We want 300hp AWD 6 speed manual quasie-rally cars for carting the kids around, but most people buy 4 cyl AT Camry LE or Accord LX."
 
Amen to that. You think it's skewed here, try the "enthusiast" boards...the Mustang boards I frequent are full of people who think a 260-300 HP Mustang is "seriously underpowered"...
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Re: funny [grbeck] by nvbanker
Oct 28, 2005 (11:30 am)

Replying to: grbeck (Oct 27, 2005 8:09 pm)

Not in the beginning.... when the FWD Diesel came out, you could be right, grbeck.
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Re: NEW FUSION [nitromax] by jefferyg
Oct 28, 2005 (8:26 pm)

Replying to: nitromax (Oct 28, 2005 7:02 am)

Hey, I graduated from high school in 88, and I remember well the mustangs and Iroc Z's. They were the cars that everyone wanted. The late 80's Mustangs with around 225 hp were some of the quickest cars I've ever been in. Even the older ones were fun cars. One of my friends had an 83 Mustang GT. It believe it was only 190 hp, but with positive traction and a very light rearend it was blast to drive - a great donut car. I haven't driven one of the new Mustangs. I love the looks of it, but it doesn't quite have that boy-toy appeal that the 80's Mustangs had.
 
The thing that is sad to me about the whole hp issue is that there is no legal way to enjoy it without paying out the nose for use of a track somewhere. So what if you have 500 hp under the hood if you can't utilize it. What we need is an American Autobahn!
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Re: NEW FUSION [jefferyg] by nvbanker
Oct 29, 2005 (2:10 pm)

Replying to: jefferyg (Oct 28, 2005 8:26 pm)

"The thing that is sad to me about the whole hp issue is that there is no legal way to enjoy it without paying out the nose for use of a track somewhere. So what if you have 500 hp under the hood if you can't utilize it."
 
You are SO right, jefferyg - which is exactly why I don't get the need for a 500hp AMG Mercedes, or the new Lexus, etc. What's the point of it all, when gas is so expensive right now.
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Re: NEW FUSION [jefferyg] by grbeck
Oct 29, 2005 (9:29 pm)

Replying to: jefferyg (Oct 28, 2005 8:26 pm)

The Mustang has always been carried by the less powerful models (for the modern version, the V-6s).
 
When the Mustang first came out, even the top-of-the-line V-8 wasn't anything to get excited about in the performance department - at least, not compared to a Pontiac GTO, or even an Olds 442. (I'm not talking about the Shelby models - I mean the stock Mustangs that could be ordered directly from Ford and sold through any Ford dealer.)
 
But that didn't stop Mustangs from flying out the door. Most of them were equipped with the straight six or mild-mannered V-8. That was why the car was such a success in the first place - it was easy to drive (and insure) but LOOKED sporty and more expensive than it really was.
 
And has anyone noticed that, through the years, the Mustang has been beat up regularly for not offering the raw performance of its chief competitors - Hemi 'Cuda, Camaro Z-28, GTO, IROC Z, Trans Am - and has managed to outlive them all? (Well, the GTO is back, but judging by the sales figures, it might as well be dead.)
 
What makes the Mustang feasible isn't the hot V-8 version - it's the mild-mannered V-6 models that are sold to women and middle-aged couples (I'm amazed at how many 40- and 50-something couples I see in Mustang convertibles).
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Re: NEW FUSION [nvbanker] by chuck1959
Oct 30, 2005 (8:23 am)

Replying to: nvbanker (Oct 29, 2005 2:10 pm)

I have a friend that sells Mercedes and he tells me the he's sells a AMG Mercedes it's more of a "macho thing" more than anything else.
 
"What's the point of it all, when gas is so expensive right now."
The people that buy IE: a AMG Mercedes, don't care about gas prices, as they can afford the high gas prices anyway.
#334 of 1858
Re: NEW FUSION [chuck1959] by nvbanker
Oct 30, 2005 (4:13 pm)

Replying to: chuck1959 (Oct 30, 2005 8:23 am)

"The people that buy IE: a AMG Mercedes, don't care about gas prices, as they can afford the high gas prices anyway."
 
So can I, chuck, but I don't like it - that's why I'm driving a sedan now mostly, and the Navigator is sitting around rusting.... Maybe I have more conscience than others....

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