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Automotive News & Views What about the future of Ford Inc?? 
1858 messages, Last post on Oct 16, 2006 at 6:25 AM
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Coming to work this morning, I've noticed a brand new silver Fusion on the lot. It was a SEL V6 with black leather interior. Wow, it does look sharp - Good Job Ford, the car looks much better than the competition. And if it drives like Mazda 6, it will be a Hit. I only have one gripe - what is up with a puny 220 HP , 200 Lb./Foot. Duratec? I mean Cm'on Ford! If it had a 250 HP, 250 Lb/Foot 3.5 V6, I would buy one TODAY! But I can't see myself driving it, because every time I'd want to "play" a bit, it will disappoint me. I think that it needs, if not a class leading HP, at least a 250, to make it a Camcord Killer. But in any case - it is gorgeous car - Thumbs way UP ! I can’t wait to go test drive it this weekend and see how it handles. According to our X-Plan price, I can get a fully loaded SEL for $22,746 - Not bad at all
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news flash! 2z, it does drive much like a 6, so you shouldn't be disappointed. I just get a kick that people are so worked up because a mid-size family sedan, that is perfectly adaquate with a 4 cyl., "only" has 220 HP! How will we survive! just kidding with you. I have my own opinions on the amount of power that most people really need/use vs. what they think they need/use. 15 years ago, cars this size maybe had 130HP. But, if you really want to see heated discussions about power, try the Lexus IS threads, especially the 250.
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Replying to: stickguy (Oct 28, 2005 6:19 am) I haven't driven one yet, so I can't really say much about it. But I've driven the competition, and I can say that out of the Camcordniss I prefer the 3.5 VQ, Altima, because it has lot's more power, and it feels quicker. Now if Fusion had that much power, and the rest of its’ goodies - it Would be PERFECT. But I guess nothing is perfect.  Oh well, maybe when Ford puts 3.5 into the Fusion in 07, it will really be a best selling mid size sedan. ( I hope) |
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Replying to: 2zmax (Oct 28, 2005 5:46 am) Camcord didn't get popular because of their HP. They got popular because of thier reliability. So dumping a bigger engine in it will make it better? Were you around in the 80's when the HP wars between Mustangs and Iroc Z-28s were flirting with 210 HP using 8 cyl engines? I'm guessing no. A V6 that puts out 220 HP/200 TQ is more than enough for a car.
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and not to beat a dead horse, but the majority of CamCordImas are actually sold as 4 cyl. Something like 75-80%? Always remember that most of the regulars the post here are really outliers in the automotive spectrum. We want 300hp AWD 6 speed manual quasie-rally cars for carting the kids around, but most people buy 4 cyl AT Camry LE or Accord LX. I do recall that the Altima suffers from the bane of the FWD V6- torque steer. Too much power though the front end can be detrimental to balance and control.
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Replying to: stickguy (Oct 28, 2005 7:33 am) Amen to that. You think it's skewed here, try the "enthusiast" boards...the Mustang boards I frequent are full of people who think a 260-300 HP Mustang is "seriously underpowered"... 
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Replying to: grbeck (Oct 27, 2005 8:09 pm) |
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Replying to: nitromax (Oct 28, 2005 7:02 am) The thing that is sad to me about the whole hp issue is that there is no legal way to enjoy it without paying out the nose for use of a track somewhere. So what if you have 500 hp under the hood if you can't utilize it. What we need is an American Autobahn! 
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Replying to: jefferyg (Oct 28, 2005 8:26 pm) You are SO right, jefferyg - which is exactly why I don't get the need for a 500hp AMG Mercedes, or the new Lexus, etc. What's the point of it all, when gas is so expensive right now.
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Replying to: jefferyg (Oct 28, 2005 8:26 pm) When the Mustang first came out, even the top-of-the-line V-8 wasn't anything to get excited about in the performance department - at least, not compared to a Pontiac GTO, or even an Olds 442. (I'm not talking about the Shelby models - I mean the stock Mustangs that could be ordered directly from Ford and sold through any Ford dealer.) But that didn't stop Mustangs from flying out the door. Most of them were equipped with the straight six or mild-mannered V-8. That was why the car was such a success in the first place - it was easy to drive (and insure) but LOOKED sporty and more expensive than it really was. And has anyone noticed that, through the years, the Mustang has been beat up regularly for not offering the raw performance of its chief competitors - Hemi 'Cuda, Camaro Z-28, GTO, IROC Z, Trans Am - and has managed to outlive them all? (Well, the GTO is back, but judging by the sales figures, it might as well be dead.) What makes the Mustang feasible isn't the hot V-8 version - it's the mild-mannered V-6 models that are sold to women and middle-aged couples (I'm amazed at how many 40- and 50-something couples I see in Mustang convertibles). |
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