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Replying to: moronix (Feb 21, 2007 8:59 am) It sounds as though your beef then is with Ford for not making enough Shelbys to meet demand. Prices SHOULD always be determined by the market IMO. ALWAYS. If demand is low and supply is high, then the dealers (and Ford) would be stupid to insist on MSRP. You mentioned F150 trucks where supply often exceeds (by a good margin) the demand......yet I'm sure that if YOU were in the market for an F150 you wouldn't insist on paying MSRP just because that's the suggested price. Why then insist on MSRP when demand far exceeds supply? Personally, I don't have ANY problem with dealer's getting as much as they can. It's called free enterprise; if I don't like the price, then I don't buy. But whining about how 'unfair' it is is simply pointless. Where I DO have a problem is when the dealer's tell folks that the demand will CONTINUE to outstrip supply 6, 8, 12 months from now so there's no point in waiting. In reality the dealers are simply HOPING the demand continues strong since that just means more money in their pocket. Ford needs to sell lots of cars. There is NO point in Ford NOT MAKING more high $$$ cars IF they feel the market will support it. If their analysis indicated that the market would only support 16k, 18k, or 20k Shelby Mustangs over a 2 year span, that's all they'll make. But if dealers are STILL able to get 10k over MSRP a year or so after production began, for what POSSIBLE reason would Ford halt production? |
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Replying to: shelbydude (Feb 21, 2007 6:40 pm) As I already said we will just have to agree to disagree. I just took a look at Ebay and noticed one dealer advertising (Hartsville, Oh) he has 9 Shelybs in stock. How is that possible? Just curious.
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Replying to: moronix (Feb 22, 2007 9:28 am)
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Replying to: shelbydude (Feb 21, 2007 6:52 pm) If Ford makes more Shelby's than the 18,000 they have indicated, I will be very disapointed. Most people spending the extra money are banking on that number. If the car had an MSRP of $50,930 I would not have even hestitated. I think you will see the 2008's jump to that price. |
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Replying to: moronix (Feb 22, 2007 9:28 am) It is possible because dealers are buying them from other dealers. Everyday there are dealers looking for more. Dealers are finding dealers that will sell them anywhere from $10k to $15k to $20k over MSRP. Then the dealer buys it and sells it for as much over that that they can get. So even dealers are paying well over MSRP buying them from other dealers. I can find them for $15k over if I have a customer wanting one. Some dealers buy as many as they can because they feel they can sell them and still make $5k over what they had to pay. One dealer sellds them at $25k over firm! They sold over 40 so far. They buy them from $10k - $20k over from other dealers. It depends on the market area you are in. Some areas have higher demand than other areas. If I had people lining up willing to pay $20k over I would buy as many as I could at $15k over and get them one. Not a problem. |
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Do some research, look for a small dealer in an out of the way place that has one on hand. He might NOT have a big enough market for the car to command a big premium. Be Nice. Mark. |
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Replying to: akirby (Feb 22, 2007 10:28 am) |
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Replying to: moronix (Feb 22, 2007 3:22 pm) |
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Replying to: moronix (Feb 22, 2007 3:33 pm) If consumers weren't paying $25K over MSRP then the dealers wouldn't be buying them for $15K over MSRP to resell them. |
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Replying to: moronix (Feb 22, 2007 3:22 pm) If you don't like the price you don't buy it! Plain and simple! The same as you refuse to pay the premium and CHOOSE to not buy it! If the dealers where ripping you off then you would be buying one even though you don't want to! As far as the cars having 8-10 miles on them...DUH! Over 95% of all new vehicles have 8 - 10 miles on them at the time they are delivered to the dealer! Mine came right off the truck with 8 miles on it! No one else drove it. I was there when it came it! Some vehicles will have only 4-6 miles, but over 95% will have 8-10 miles when they are dropped off from the manufacturer! Now there are SOME of these Shelby's that dealers did buy from people and those would be used because they have been titled. Transferring from dealer to another does not constitute a used vehicle. Only after it has been titled it becomes used. The funny thing is, those people that did sell theirs to a dealer were those GREAT LOYAL CUSTOMERS of the other dealer that the dealer did sell their Shelby to that GOOD customer for only MSRP and that so called GOOD CUSTOMER that just HAD to have one turned right around and sold it to another dealer to make a fast $10k - $20k!!! Some GOOD CUSTOMER, huh??? So the few dealers that did sell their Shelby's for only MSRP ended up getting burned by their own VERY GOOD CUSTOMERS! They ripped off the dealer! WOW! And I would be willing to bet that YOU, moronix would be the type of customer to do the same thing! Lets face it, if you don't think the car is worth the extra premium then you probably wouldn't keep it if you could turn around and pocket the extra $10k - $20k profit from it! If that wasn't so then you wouldn't have any problem with paying a premium if you REALLY wanted one! As far as corning the market, give me a break! A handful of dealers snatching up a few extra Shelby's by paying a premium for them is hardly going to even put a dent into what the market will demand for these! The ONLY way that could ever happen is you had several dealers buy up ALL the Shelby's where they were the ONLY dealers where you could get one from! That will never happen. If it were only that easy! I'd buy all 9,000 and offer $25k over to insure I got them all and make you pay $100k to get one! And I'd sell a lot of them for that if I were the only source to get one from. But I would end up with a lot in storage as well and risk losing a lot of money waiting for 40 years to pass by before they were really worth a lot! I only WISH your idiotic theory were true! You ujust keep missing the point. If EVERYONE REFUSED TO PAY A PREMIUM THEN THERE WOULD BE NO PREMIUM! That being the case then there is no way for the dealer to be able to rip anyone off! It is the CONSUMERS that forcing the prices to go up! No one else! It's the CONSUMERS! Without any willing consumers buying them, the prices go down! But the CONSUMERS WANT THEM BAD ENOUGH TO PAY ANY PRICE TO GET ONE! Hello!!! |
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