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Ford Shelby Cobra GT500, Convertible
#132 of 556 Re: Visited a dealer [advequityguy]
Jul 28, 2006 (11:51 am)
"I know it brakes your heart as you are obviously not a Mustang guy...."
First of all, it's "breaks".
"Brakes" are those round thingy's behind the wheels used to stop a car.
Second of all, you don't know me very well. The restored/modified '66 GT fastback in my garage (which is set up for mild open-track use) may be a clue to where my heart lies. And...it...ain't...with....Chevy.
I also understand WHY the most collectible Shelby's are the '65 and '66 models, with the collectibility tapering off to the least appreciated '69-'70 models.
Do you know why?
It's because Carrol Shelby had EVERYTHING to do with the earliest models. He got Mustang shells from Ford and built HIS cars to HIS specs in HIS factory. And it shows from the fact that these cars were very successfully raced back in the day (against small-block Corvettes no less). The later Shelby's were street poseurs, great at looking good and laying down a patch of rubber on the street; but otherwise a styling excercise built by and used by Ford to maintain excitement in the Mustang.
The current GT500 is the same. It has about as much to do with Carrol Shelby as the '03 models did; which is essentially NOTHING.
Face it, these are nothing but the lastest SVT Mustang Cobras (developed by SVT; NOT Carrol Shelby) with "Shelby" logos stuck on it.
Will the initial buyers drop stupid money on the SVT Cobra because it has "Shelby" logos on it? Sure. Some folks have more money than brains. But will the "Shelby" logos be enough to KEEP the demand up so high that Ford will run through the entire 16k production run with dealers able to demand huge ADM?
Regarding the 03/04 cars; if memory serves, the initial buyers of THOSE cars were also paying a big markup. I found this post from March of '02 regarding the anticipated markup on the '03 Cobras:
texaszach, "Mustang Cobra / SVT Cobra" #53, 27 Mar 2002 7:20 am
In it appears this little gem:
"This particular dealership happens to be SVT certified. I spoke with him yesterday regarding the new snake. Their allotment of '03 Cobras is a total of 6. They have a waiting list for these cars despite a rumored premium of $10,000 above MSRP at their dealership."
Yet only a few months later, the going prices were under MSRP. Will history repeat itself? History has a strange habit of doing so.....
#133 of 556 Re: Visited a dealer [rorr]
Jul 29, 2006 (12:30 pm)
Glad to hear you are not a chevy guy. I'm not trying to insult you, brother. I just have a different opinion. Your opinion counts about as much as mine. deek. neither you or me is going to buy one. You because it doesnt make sense to you. Me because I already have enough toys financed. 17 coupes slated for the whole state of florida for the 1st 2 months production, btw.
#134 of 556 Re: I don't even understand the hype for these cars [saddaddy]
Aug 02, 2006 (6:10 am)
Design a special powerplant? The small block Chevy dates back to nineteen hundred fifty-three (for Pete's sake), yet the LS7 derivative is a pretty "special" powerplant. What in the world does "lazily conceived" have to do with whether or not the Shelby has a good powerplant? There are lots of "lazily conceived" '03/04 Cobras out there that will prove that statement wrong on a moment's notice.
Aug 02, 2006 (10:19 am)
just lapped the parking lot in one. all i can say is wholey sheet, man i've got to get on that. "lazily conceived" or not.
Aug 02, 2006 (10:23 am)
....also, i think i could see myself lazily blowing past pretty much anything else you could conceive on the road. and not to mention looking pretty darn good doing it.....looks like i need to cash in a bond or something.
#138 of 556 Re: Visited a dealer [rorr]
Aug 06, 2006 (7:39 am)
I think the pricing of the Shelby Mustang is a good strategy by Ford. Due to the added fat (800 lbs) of the Mustang relative to the Corvette, the acceleration of the vehicle will be comparable to the base model Corvette. Therefore, Ford was setting the base price at the performance level of the car (~ $45-50 K). If anyone pays more than that, they are simply getting "less car" compared to the Z06 in the $60 K range.
#139 of 556 Re: Visited a dealer [john500]
Aug 07, 2006 (8:11 am)
Now here is a subject that has been beat up over and over again on countless GT500 sites and I'm sure most of the Vet sites as well...A GT500 vs. C6 or Z06 comparison is absolutely ridiculous! Yes the base Vet and GT500 share similar price structures, but thats where the comparison ends. As far as the Z06 goes, good luck getting one OTD for less than the very high $60K's...If the fastest car on your block is what your looking for, I'd suggest buying the GT500, strip 800lbs of crap off of it...and spend the difference in price to the Z06 on mods...and VOILA, now you got yourself a comparison!! Just my .02 worth
#140 of 556 Re: Visited a dealer [john500]
Aug 07, 2006 (12:47 pm)
again, the point is no one, Ford included, cares if you think the corvette is a better value. In fact, no one, including Ford, even cares if you buy one. Brother, they have very little invested in this car and an even smaller hope for profit. It is an effort to get some free press, nothing more. It's a 2 year limited run. Trust me, they will all be sold well beyond what a base vette sells for. Go ahead, offer any dealership on the planet 60k and see what happens. For a volume manufacturer, the profit lies in 200000 Mustang V-6's or 1000000 pickup trucks. It aint in 8000 specialty cars. I'm not saying its a bad thing. If I had the cash, I'd get one and enjoy the feeling that very few other people will have one. If the Shelby appeals to you, great. Do what you gotta do. If it seems foolish, get a vette. your local dealership probably has more of them than they do Cobalts. You may even get a discount. You can wave at all the other mid-life crisis guys in vettes as you pass each other on the way to the VFW for $1 beer night. Just my .02.
#141 of 556 Received VIN #
Aug 07, 2006 (9:28 pm)
My dealership called me this afternoon and gave me my Shelby's VIN #. They don't have the actual build date yet, but with getting the VIN # has excited me to no end. I asked the dealership to find out what the cost is for the new recovery system Lo-Jack has come out with. Is there anyone familiar with the costs? The original Lo-Jack system installed will be $695. Lo-Jack claims the new recovery system automatically notifies the police once stolen. I have half the rafters on my new garage extension and hope to have it roofed by next weekend. Question, these cars are on the dealership lots and arriving daily. Should this forum remain in future vehicles??????