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Kia Optima, Sedan
Jan 09, 2007 (8:32 pm)
overall, how do you like your Optima's interior? I haven't looked at many pictures of the '06.5 and '07 Optima interior shots. So far I haven't found much to dislike about the new Optima. And if I can indeed talk them down using a college grad.rebate, customer loyalty rebate, etc., I may get a price on a base LX model w/5-speed transmission for something in the low 15's somewhere. For that car I think that would be awesome. My wife doesn't want to trade in yet and doesn't want us to have a car payment once the Sportage is paid off(around June or July of '07), so she will need some strong persuasion come trade-in time.
The list of cars I'd be interested in is 4 right now...the '08 Chev 'Bu(if 5-speed manual tranny is available, that is), '07 Kia Optima, '07 Suzuki SX4 crossover or sedan(if I like the sedan as much as the hatch-wagon) and the 'XX Dodge Hornet. Supposedly China's Chery Motors is going to build the Hornet for Dodge, I just don't know which model year will be it's first. I have to say that the '07 Kia Optima is now leading the short list but if Chevy prices the base model 'Bu competitively with the Optima I may be able to start a bidding war and drive down a decent price on a '08 Malibu for us. I've only seen that 2008 Malibu bodystyle for a day or two and I love it right off the bat. I think it's stronger looking in the front but I do like the rear end of it as well. I really like how they designed it. Looks like Chevy will offer a 5 year, 100,000 mile Warranty on the Malibu's powertrain, which is not too shabby, either.
To get back to the Optima, though, do you dislike the Optima's cloth interior material or did you get a great deal on a leather option, csandste?
#290 of 906 Re: csandste... [iluvmysephia1]
Jan 09, 2007 (9:19 pm)
Wife wanted leather and I felt it was worth $500 at the time of the sale. Thought the base cloth was much better looking than my Malibu which is ugly but, so far, quite durable and cleanable.
The add-on leather kit was from Roadwire:
After a couple of hours with the interior my first impression is that it looks as good as the original leather. Asked for perforated-- didn't get it, but after waiting for six days when they told me it would take one, I'm leaving that one alone. I could have had heated seats for an extra $50. Dealer assured $500 was less than his cost (???).
The kicker on the heated seats is that they told me the passenger seat couldn't be heated because of conflicts with the air bag seat sensor. On second thought it might have been worth the extra fifty to get the driver's seat wired, but this was my first brush with leather. Wife really wanted it.
I've done numerous comparisons with my Maxx and the Optima so won't repeat here. I'm personally sold on the old-tech OHV engine, even with the four speed automatic. I guess Chevy finally got tired of hearing laughs and snickers about this power train so good-bye it goes (although Saturn base car keeps the ohv design-- maybe only for this year).
If I was buying the Malibu I'd probably go with the four cylinder engine on the new one. Too me it looks really sizable, especially with the same wheel base as my Maxx and a lot more overhang in the rear, so I hope it wouldn't be underpowered. I'm not sure if that engine requires (or prefers) premium, computers will compensate, but buying premium would be a turn off.
As far as getting my four cylinder back after a week with the 2.7 V-6, frankly I think I made the right decision with the four. Can't tell much difference, although I'm taking it easy with the four. Sweet engine to this point.
Personally I think Chevy has a stronger dealer network than Kia (my dealer is OK, combined with Dodge) but most of the other GM divisions have learned a thing or two from their Saturn experience. I've stated that my local Hyundai dealership was a bit too old-timey car dealer and that my experience wasn't the best with my Elantra-- although no real horror stories.
My experience with many Japanese dealerships is that they're arrogant. Looked at a Civic when we bought the Optima-- similar price, much less car. Real smarmy salesman. Toyota always seemed too busy to be bothered, and I'm troubled by the recent recalls, lawsuits, etc. I think it's a company ready for a stumble, even though my daughter drives a 91 Camry with 200 thou on it.
Drove the Suzuki but was not impressed. I guess it's OK if you're looking for four wheel drive. Frankly preferred the Aerio-- sorry it was replaced (not talking 4 door sedans here). I'm sure Chinese cars will be taking market share in five years, people shouldn't laugh at them. They already did that with Japanese cars in the seventies and Korean in the nineties.
To me, cars is cars, but I try to get the best deal I can. I'm a free trader and it means little to me if a car's Korean or American. When I bought my Maxx it was because it was the best car I could find that had a hatch and at 16K it was a screaming deal.
I'm delighted with both my Malibu and (so far) my Optima. After another week or so I'll give an evaluation of the car on Edmunds, but it's too early to score yet. That artificially low score (seven something) is quite a bit too low IMHO. At this point, I'm very impressed.
#291 of 906 Re: I know that I've had my Sportage's [iluvmysephia1]
Jan 10, 2007 (5:01 am)
Re. the comment on the new Kia Rondo. This vehicle is known as the Carens in Europe, and the one we're getting here in the States is the 3rd Generation Carens. These types of cars, along with the Mazda 5, are very hot in Europe, but really haven't caught on here. BTW . . . Hyundai is coming out with their own version as well, but will have unique Hyundai styling, including high-mounted tail lights unlike the Rondo. From the spy pix I've seen on Hyundai's version, I prefer the styling of the Rondo.
#292 of 906 Re: csandste... [csandste]
Jan 10, 2007 (9:18 am)
I srongly agree with your comment that the 7.3 rating given by the reviewer on Edmunds is `artificiallly low`. This guy downgrades the car unrelistically given his `problem` with the airbag sensor on the passenger seat ( I`m not sure he even realizes that the sensor turns off if there is no adult in the seat !). Oh well. it takes all kinds, doesn`t it ? Just like some who downgrade the car because the door swings open too far ! ROFLOL .
#293 of 906 Re: csandste... [micro99]
Jan 10, 2007 (9:32 am)
Now now micro...Im not stupid.I know that the light goes on when there are no passengers.I didnt rate it 7.3,it was the cumulative rating that the computer came up with.I faulted the car on other things besides the air bag issue.The ride is too stiff, and I would like a bit better mileage.Other than that the car doesn't track as well as my Sonata did.I'm getting used to it,so will keep it,but please dont assume that someone with who you disagree is an idiot.I would really appreciate that.
#294 of 906 Re: csandste... [mickeyrom]
Jan 10, 2007 (10:37 am)
Sorry, I meant no offense and will gladly apologize for being somewhat mean-spirited ! It`s just that I cannot comprehend how you can rate the car with 5.0`s in the areas of Comfort ,Build Quality,and Reliability given the types of issues you identify ! Since yours is the only rating of this car, it leaves a very unbalanced view on the largest ,most read Auto Forum on the internet ! Again, sorry if this observation offended you .
#295 of 906 Re: csandste... [micro99]
Jan 10, 2007 (10:58 am)
No apology needed.I couldn't rate the car any better because I had to return to the dealer 4 times already.I dont consider that very dependable.If I were looking for owner's impressions,I would appreciate the facts with all the warts.IMO, 7.3 isn't all bad.However its not outstanding either.I guess it depends what you expect out of a $23,000 car.I still wish I had bought a Hyundai Sonata Ltd. or the Elantra Ltd.
A feature that I really do like,is that like my Chrysler TC,it plays cassettes in addition to CDs.Thats a nice feature if you have ton of old cassettes.While Im at it,I find that the sound of the stereo does not live up to it's advertised power and rarely do I notice the sub woofer.Having said all of that,my wife,the one who really matters...loves this car,or will if they ever solve the problem with the air bag.After all shes the one usually in the "death seat"
#296 of 906 Re: csandste... [micro99]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:09 am)
PS...I just reread my entire review and found it pretty fair.I had a bunch of 9s which isnt all bad.I also mentioned that reliability is hard to predict after only one month.I do wonder why my review is the only one there.
#297 of 906 Re: csandste... [micro99]
Jan 10, 2007 (11:51 am)
I don't want to sound like I'm ganging up on "mickeyrom", because I'm not:) But, I agree that the Optima's rep is being tarnished based on one persons preference for soft suspension. Just because the Optima is designed to be more sporty and better handling (thank god) than a "bu" it shouldn't get a poor mark.
#298 of 906 Re: csandste... [imacheapsk8]
Jan 10, 2007 (12:05 pm)
Consumer guide rates the 2006.5 Optima as a 6,so Im not all that hard on it.I repeat,why aren't there more reviews?Im sure some will give it a 10 across the board.