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#811 of 1387 Re: Stability / Traction Control on 2007 Mazda5 [tomekk]
Apr 15, 2006 (11:49 am)
I don't know if they will have TC or Sc in the 07's but if you look at Mazda's philosophy of producing "driver's cars" I would suspect the answer will be no! Having said that $1000 spent on advance drivers training is a much better investment than the $400 for SC ot TC on 1 car as that knowledge stays with you. The biggest problem I see with TC and SC is the same problem as ABS it makes most people think they are invincible!
Up here in Canada we find that in the winter, most accidents (after a snow fall) tned to involve SUV's. They tend to think that because they have AWD they can ignore the laws of physics! We see more SUV's in the ditch than any other type of car.
All I'm really trying to say is SC and TC are IMHO highly overrated . I think that Auto manufactures sometimes put SC and TC in vehicles to compensate for what would otherwise be a vehcile with unacceptable driving dynamics
Just my honest opinion
#812 of 1387 Re: Stability / Traction Control on 2007 Mazda5 [wa98strat]
Apr 15, 2006 (1:37 pm)
It seems like you think safety features are a bad thing. So you're suggesting that we do away with seatbelts, since that could give people a false sense of security? After all, the more vulnerable a person is in a car, the safer they'll drive, right?
OK, just kidding about that.
You're right, stability control is no substitute for stupidity. Still, even the best of drivers can and probably will make a mistake sometime or another. We're only human, you know. It'd be nice for a person to have that backup if they wanted it.
Back to the original question about having TC & SC in the '07 5. I don't know.
#813 of 1387 Re: how strong is the air conditioning? [wa98strat]
Apr 15, 2006 (3:09 pm)
I live in Florida, and the windshield sun reflector and tinting all around were teh first modifications I had done. The A/C system is marginal at best for this climate: the condenser and compressor are the same as those in the Mazda 3 (but the evaporator is different). Since the 5 has many more cubic feet to cool, and more square inches of glass area heating up the all-black interior, the unmodified AC system is underpowered for the Florida climate. Tinting was a no-brainer for me.
#814 of 1387 Re: Stability / Traction Control on 2007 Mazda5 [jc9799]
Apr 16, 2006 (6:25 am)
just finished reading a review of the Mazsda 5 (european spec) looks like TC and SC are available in 06 M5's over their
see link below
So I guesss it's a market thing. Also looks like you can put on 15" wheels (makes snow tires easier!) In Canada you have to but the top of the line GT to get the curtain air bags (which disapoints me) The GS with 16" rims rides much better than the GT's 17's
But I still think it's better to spend the money on good advanced driver's training than to by the gadgets. TC and SC tend (in my experience) lead to drivers thinking they can push their vehicles harder because they think "don't worry I have TC and SC!"
TC and SC are great add on's AFTER you have good training behind you!
(rant mode on)
Automatic transmissions have lead to decades of driver skill deterioration! I've driven Manual transmission vehicles all my life. The first time I drove an automatic, I was shocked how easy it was to ignore what the car was doing!!! Put your foot down and the car is doing 50 without you really noticing! You can't get unsuck in winter with an automatic. It's very simple to rock a Manual transmission.
(rant mode off)
#815 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 A/C [theduke2]
Apr 16, 2006 (10:37 pm)
April is no test for an A/C. We will have to wait for summer in Arizona for any useful feedback on A/C performance.
#816 of 1387 Crash Tests
Apr 17, 2006 (6:39 am)
Does anyone know if or when the Mazda5 will be crash tested? There were some results of other cars in the news today, but not the 5. Hope you all had a nice holiday.
#817 of 1387 Re: Crash Tests [kivo]
Apr 17, 2006 (11:04 am)
The Mazda5 has been crash tested in europe, where it did very well see the link below:
But Like you I can't find any NHTSA or IIHS crash test data yet.
Do keep in mind though that the Mazda5 is not a new model (at least not in Europe where it's been sold for a couple of model years already)
#818 of 1387 Re: Stability / Traction Control on 2007 Mazda5 [wa98strat]
Apr 17, 2006 (1:39 pm)
I knew TC and SC are available (if not standard) in Europe on Mazda5 ... they dumbed down the car for North America. Rats. Disappointing.
I sent an e-mail to Mazda asking if 07 Mazda5 will have TC and SC and they replied back "the features of 07 model year are not known at this time". Yeah, right.
To respond to the rants out there with a rant of my own:
- if I didn't plan on having the vehicle driven eventually by my son, I'd be OK with not having SC
- I'd take limited slip differential instead of traction control ... no amount if drivers ed will help anybody if one of the driven wheels is spinning helplessly on ice, and the other one is sitting on asphalt. That's what you need TC (or limited slip) for, nothing else. Makes sense?
But limited slip diff is not available, so it's a moot point anyway.
#819 of 1387 Re: Stability / Traction Control on 2007 Mazda5 [tomekk]
Apr 17, 2006 (5:27 pm)
A limited slip diff appears to be available for the Mazda 3 (mazdaspeed) so you can get LSD for the Mazda 5 (same transmission)
#820 of 1387 Re: Stability / Traction Control on 2007 Mazda5 [wa98strat]
Apr 17, 2006 (8:15 pm)
"appears to be available for the Mazda 3 (mazdaspeed)" ... as an option or aftermarket add-on?
It's not on Mazda5 option list. Doesn't show on mazdausa site for Mazda3 either.
Won't Mazda3 mazdaspeed have 6 speed? (although I'm not sure if limited slip diff would be affected by what transmission is used).
Could you please provide more info?