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#1315 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [wruberte]
Dec 13, 2008 (7:53 am)
The 2006 was recalled twice due to an engine overheating issue related to the exhaust that could cause the engine to catch on fire
I'm just paraphrasing what you are reposting in every thread, nothing else. So to clarify: The 2006 was recalled once due to the exhaust potential overheating, not twice. Also, the engine would not catch fire due to that, it was the exhaust itself so all your posts are incorrect and misleading.
And yes, it took long to get it fixed, I was pissed off too, but I hope you also got a rental at no cost and your $500 from Mazda for the inconvenience, right? That reaction from Mazda made me feel better to purchase a 2nd Mazda5 to be honest
But anyway, my question is: Why did you yet buy a 2007 Mazda5 if your 2006 was such a bad experience for you? There is the Rondo as an option for example
Best of luck!
#1316 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [coolmazda5]
Dec 13, 2008 (9:06 am)
Because after the first recall, we did not understand the full extent of the issues until the compressor incident and until after we had to bring the 2007 into a shop only to find out there was Technical Service Bulletin on the 2007 regarding defective bushings for the stabilizer causing the bottom bar to scrape against the bottom of the car that was the underlining cause of the issue. Still a
#1317 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [wruberte]
by vg33e power
Dec 15, 2008 (9:26 am)
Just to chime in here, I been in the car dealership business for almost 9 years, particularly in the wholesale parts department. A/C compressor failure is quite common, some go out faster then others. I have seen compressors go out as soon as within the first year of ownership. I dont know how many miles you have on your MZ5, but I had a Honda Accord in which the compressor went out at about 100K. The seizing of the clutch/pulley assembly is actually more common then you think, and it is an end result of the actual failure which actually is an internal seizure of the compressor. The fact that the clutch/pulley assembly fuse together it is because when the compressor fails and seizes, the engine continues to try to turn the pulley with the normal operation of the engine's drive belt and heats up the clutch so much that it eventually fuses together, if you would have not pulled over and turned off the engine I am sure your drivebelt (if it did not) would have been the next to go. Anyway, I know that it is costly to replace A/C components, but that does not mean that your MZ5 is a lemon. A/C compressor's lifespan vary from individual to individual, not from car maker to car maker. Most compressor are made from the same manufacturer and only the outside case is built to carmakers specs for mounting purposes. The true lifespan depends on the usage. A lot of people run their A/C all the time and never turn them off even before shuting down the engine. When people go back to turning on their vehicle the A/C compressor goes on instantly as well and puts a strain on both the engine and the compressor. Sorry about the inconvinience this puts on your pocket book, we all hate it when we have to dish out money to fix our vehicles, even me.
#1318 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [vg33e power]
Dec 15, 2008 (10:36 pm)
Well, this inconvenience has been registered with the NHTSA now for investigation as the smoke in the engine and the passenger cabin nearly caused a car crash on I85. I've managed to obtain the part in case the NHTSA follows up because the only way the unit can be dissassembled right now is with a blow torch. The only common thing about the AC Compressor Failure is defective part or installation. It may be common for you as an employee of a dealership, but is no less an unacceptable safety hazard especially when this vehicle transports children. Mazda Corporate's unwillingness to do anything borders on culpable negligence.
#1319 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [coolmazda5]
Dec 15, 2008 (10:42 pm)
These forums may only indicate one recall, but the NHTSA definitely trumps your lack of research. Visit http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/recalls/RecallSearch.cfm and plugin in Mazda 2006 Mazda5. Two recalls (NHTSA Campaign ID's 06V463000 and 05V412000), the latter of which took more than 45 days of repair. Yep, law here calls that a .
#1320 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [wruberte]
Dec 16, 2008 (8:54 am)
These forums may only indicate one recall, but the NHTSA definitely trumps your lack of research
. Whatever man. Last time I checked only ONE recall had to do with with the exhaust potentially catching fire. You said that the 2 recalls were related to that, which is still misleading (or I may be wrong and where you live the sliding doors' latches not only freeze but could also catch fire to the exhaust )
Anyway, to your Lemon point in GA. You car must have been purchased in 2005 for the exhaust recall to apply so if you want to point out that your car is a lemon NOW (almost 2009), you are not making a good case.
My only point is: I would suggest to take your case differently, do more research and your chances of succeeding may be higher
Best of luck!
The Lemon Law rights period is the period ending one year from the date you took delivery of the vehicle, or after the first 12,000 miles of your use—whichever occurs first.
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#1321 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [wruberte]
Dec 16, 2008 (8:55 am)
Again, you fail to acknowledge that what you first wrote was incorrect - you stated "the 2006 was recalled twice due to an engine overheating issue related to the exhaust that could cause the engine to catch on fire."
It had one recall for the exhaust, and one recall for the latch. Not two due to exhaust overheating issues, as you initially claimed. Research is only as good as the language used to describe the findings.
As far as I know, the existence of recalls does not a lemon make. My past two cars had a couple of recalls on them, and the cars were fine. Many cars have a couple recalls during their lifetime.
If you took your 2006 Mazda in for the recall while under the protection of the lemon law ("12 months following the purchase of the vehicle or for 12,000 miles following the purchase of the vehicle, whichever occurs first." - GA law), and they took 45 days to repair it, you might have had a claim, had you acted on it. The fact that your A/C failed later, out of warranty, has no bearing on the car being a lemon. In your circumstances, the only legally recognized "lemony" thing about your Mazda is the lengthy repair time. Not the fact it had recalls. Not the fact that at 50,000 miles it suffered a component failure.
To me, a lemon is a car that is grossly defective in its engineering or parts - not one that some dealership took a long time to fix on one occassion. From my point of view, if I'm to be warned away from a particular car, I'd need more evidence than a couple of recalls, a lengthy stay in the shop, and a parts failure at 50,000 miles. I replaced my Jetta's starter motor around 70,000 after it failed - I wasn't cursing the car, despite the fact it has a recall (and 23 complaints for it on the NHTSA site!).
I think your conclusion that the Mazda 5 is a lemon is unjustified. Maybe it technically fell under the provisions of GA lemon law due to that 45 days in the shop, but that's not what the typical car buyer is thinking when discussing whether a certain model is an overall lemon.
#1322 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [redberry]
by vg33e power
Dec 16, 2008 (9:59 am)
...in addition to redberry's response, the repair for the "engine catching on fire" recall was only in vehicles built before 01-06 (I believe?? correct me if I am wrong) which the majority were purchased in 2005. The 45 days or so of repair time was due to Mazda being pro-active and pulling vehicles off the road due to a potential hazard while the proper permanent fix was engineered. When those people got the recall letter, they had a choice to take it in and let their vehicles sit for those many days in the shop or continue to drive their vehicles until part was readily and risk their vehicles and lives. Most opted to let their vehicle sit in the shop just to prevent this from happening. Mazda also provided a rental vehicle at no charge without any mileage restrictions and after the fix it offered owners also a $500 check to use at their discretion. Call it brivary or call it what you will, the fact is that Mazda acted proactively on this issue and took care of the problem. Many car makers do not take this approach because they care more about their reputation, specially on the introdusction of a new (to the U.S) vehicle. Again, sorry about your A/C compressor going out sooner than you expected, but we are all faced with one thing or another going wrong with our vehicles. I dont have extended warranty on mine and I knock on wood so that nothing major happens to my MZ5 at least anytime soon. If you had extended warranty, then you would have been one of the very few that actually benefited from purchasing it. Sorry bud!
#1323 of 1387 Re: Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom [wruberte]
Dec 16, 2008 (11:40 am)
A web search finds that Hondas appear to be afflicted with early demise of A/C units, under 100K miles; I wonder if the parts are sourced the same by Mazda? I'll admit that, while other components often give out before 100K miles, I haven't heard of A/C compressors going before this. I've never had an A/C go catastrophically, and I've owned some old cars with lots of miles (but not Japanese ones).
Rather than shouting "lemon" and pursuing that angle, you may want to research if this failure is occurring to other Mazda owners and consider a class-action.
From what I've read about the Honda cases, Honda did pay when it was a case of the entire system needing replacing, to the tune of $4000.
I'm still planning to buy a MZ 5 this month, though.
#1324 of 1387 Mazda5 Lemon - Stay Away - Zoom, Zoom, Boom
Dec 16, 2008 (8:40 pm)
It was indicated there were two recalls and indicated that there was a serious exhaust issue. Can't help if you'll took it to the next illogical level and thought both recalls were related to the same issue. NHTSA Investigation will prompt Mazda Corporate to do due diligence. Do you really think Mazda is going to post failure rates of an AC Compressor model for public consumption out of altruism? Do you really think Mazda did a recall on the scale that it did for the engine exhaust out of pure concern for the customer or for reasons of liability? Mazda Corporate's Customer Service Management flatly denied a request for the failure rates of the same model AC Compressor in Mazda vehicles and a detailed search for patterns in such failures indicating a general unwillingness to even look into much less acknowledge the issue of a "catastrophic failure" as indicated by the Mazda Dealership Service Technician where by "you will probably need a blowtorch to disassemble it". Lastly yes, vehicle repair took greater than 45 days for the exhaust recall.