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#827 of 1273 Re: 2008 Touring with 14,400 miles [MarxMarvelous]
Mar 29, 2009 (12:19 pm)
We purchased a red 5AT Sport with no options from Premiere Mazda in Georgetown, TX. Trade-in of 61k Toyota Sienna LE with some exterior damage was appraised at Carmax for $6500. Mazda initially offered $6000 but increased it to $7150 at the end of negotations. Mazda initially asked for MSRP ($19775) - $1000 rebate and that was negotiated down to $19000 - $1000 rebate + $50 doc fee = $18050 which is $130 over current Edmunds TMV ($18920 - $1000). Since dealer exceeded Carmax on trade-in by $650, to me this means I effectively picked up the Mazda5 for $520 under Edmunds TMV.
I think Edmunds TMV is inflated a little right now on this vehicle. The dealer was red tagging 5 manual sports for $15996 including rebate which is 85% of MSRP. Edmunds TMV minus rebate is apx 91% of msrp. I effectively paid 88% and I feel I probably could have pushed it down farther but I met my objectives were met and I was satisified.
Re the 85% sales to MSRP on the manual, the sales guy said the difference was that the manual had some additional dealer incentives that pushed their cost down but most people don't want manual and it brings them in to look at auto. Perhaps that's true, perhaps it's not but as a buyer, it was in my mind in terms of setting expectations for a discount.
All said, after trade-in and TTL, we are at $325/mo for 36mos 0%. The negotiating experience was comfortable and we are enjoying our first Mazda.
We looked at getting a new Sienna and it probably would have been $400/mo for 5 years. That's $12,000 more. Sure, the Mazda5 is smaller, but it looks a lot like a mini-me version of the Sienna when I see them side by side. Way cheaper and better gas economy. Still, the american consumer still seems to want their Sienna/Oddesy/Quest over this cute little Mazda 5.
#828 of 1273 MO mazda dealer
Apr 08, 2009 (11:36 am)
I live in Springfield and want to get a sport auto version in crystal white from my local dealer. However, the only color he has is gray and according to him, getting a white one from another dealer I will need to pay $1191 more coz he will trade with another dealer and lose some money. Of course I don't want to pay so much more. But the nearest other dealers(st louis and KC) are 3 hours drive away. If I buy from there, I don't know if it's a good idea to drive a new car on freeway over 180 miles. I guess my questions are
1. is there any other way I can have the white car delivered to Springfield without being ripped off?
2. if I have to go 180 miles to buy the car, how much will it affect the new car's performance if I drive the first 180 miles on the freeway?
Any ideas/suggestions/comments are welcome.
#829 of 1273 Re: MO mazda dealer [joanndu]
by vg33e power
Apr 08, 2009 (1:11 pm)
If you really want the white one (which I dont blame you because I wanted a white one as well), then make the deal with the dealership that has it and drive it back yourself.
The dealership that you are working with wants to make an easy $1191 profit on you. If you were to agree to pay the extra money, all they have to do is make the call to the dealership that has the white one and make sure that the unit has not been sold or has been promised to be sold. If it is still available they will get one of their lot porters to drive out there with the traded unit and pick up the white one and drive it back. Most dealership "do not" own any of the new vehicles in their lots, they are on consignment through Mazda Corporation, so they are not loosing any money like they claim they are.
In that case you might as well save yourself $1191 invest some time and gas money and make the deal directly with the dealership that has the unit. 180 miles is not that far anyway. Plus as long as you make some pit stops every 30-45 minutes to use the bathroom or stretch out and keep it at 65 mph it will also not hinder the break-in period of your new baby. On the other hand, the porter will not give a damn about the vehicle he/she is bringing back and drive it non-stop and perhaps abuse it since it is just another unit for him/her.
At the last resort, if the dealership that has the unit you want does not want to make you a deal, then throw some food for thought to the current dealership you are dealing with and tell them that if they are going to charge you that much more to make a trade, then you will just make the deal directly with the dealership that has the white one. I guarantee you they will be more willing to keep your business and/or either delete thr extra charge or dramatically decrease it.
#830 of 1273 Re: MO mazda dealer [vg33e power]
Apr 08, 2009 (4:04 pm)
Great reply! Thank you very much for the info. and your advice! I will check out the dealers in the big towns and make a deal over there.
#831 of 1273 09 Sport - $17,508 OTD
Apr 10, 2009 (3:58 am)
I'm buying in the DC area and received an offer from a dealer yesterday for an 09 Sport AT with no options for $17,508 OTD. What's the verdict on this? This is the best price I've seen in a week's dealing with local dealers.
#832 of 1273 Re: 09 Sport - $17,508 OTD [dave594]
Apr 10, 2009 (4:42 am)
When you write $17,508 is that including tax&lic fees and the rip off fee...uh i mean the document fee? if so jump on it, and if not it is still a very good bargain. I paid about $17800 for mine (2009 sport automatic) a few months ago, plus t&l and got the document fee to $15. We are happy with the vehicle, I get about 25mpg average, and have no real complaints to speak of.
#833 of 1273 Re: 09 Sport - $17,508 OTD [tomas_elantra]
Apr 10, 2009 (7:09 am)
Yes, that's with all the fees driving the car off the lot. The salesman indicated they were willing to go lower if another lower bid comes in. I'll cross my fingers that this is the real deal. BTW, I went to the showroom yesterday to drive the vehicle and get the numbers. I was the only customer in the place. I guess they're desperate for buyers.
Apr 12, 2009 (1:22 am)
I just picked up an 09 Sport with a manual transmission for 15,115 + 218 (license/title) for a total of 15,333. I'm in Oregon, so no taxes. It was an ad special, so no haggling. It was one of the most pleasant car buying experiences I've had. I was in an out in a bit over an hour.
This is an incredibly good time to buy a car.
#835 of 1273 SF Bay Area - 2009 Touring
Apr 15, 2009 (9:18 pm)
Hi. A local dealer offered 20,970 out the door for a 2009 Touring model. Is this a good deal? That's with taxes and all the other stuff.
I am debating between that and a local used one from a private seller. It is a 2007 Grand Touring with 16,200 miles. This one has leather and a DVD player. He is asking 14,750 but I think I might be able to get him down to 14,000.
I don't really care for those other options. What I DO want is a moon roof, hence the Touring trim.
Which do you think is the better deal? Should the dealer go lower. After reading everyone else's deals, I think I should try for lower. Shouldn't the Touring be just around $1200 over the Sport? Thanks for your replies and opinions. Cheers!
#836 of 1273 09 Mazda5 Touring
Apr 16, 2009 (9:21 am)
At Maxon Mazda, NJ
"negotiated'" to Out the door: 19750
breakdown (how they worked their numbers to get me the number I wanted):
(20 mi on vehicle, red)
Unit Price 17673.14
nj tire tax 7.50
reg fee 242
online MV fee 8.30
"Clerical Expense" 369
Not sure if this is the 'best' deal, but I am happy with it and the car.