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Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla vs Mazda3

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Re: Civic MPG's [moocow1] by thegraduate
Jun 13, 2008 (11:54 am)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jun 13, 2008 11:50 am)

Honda offers ONLY 5-speed automatics. Toyota has 4, 5, and 6 speed autos, 8-speed if you include Lexus.
 
I can't believe a Corolla XLE (the top model besides the sporty XRS) doesn't have Cruise standard. It has been standard on the mid-level Civic LX since something like the late 80s.
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Re: Civic MPG's [thegraduate] by moocow1
Jun 13, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 13, 2008 11:54 am)

Ah you're right, we'd have to lump in Acura for the 6's. And I'm really complaining about the Corolla, Matrix, Yaris...basically their entire small car lineup. Their ENTIRE damn Scion lineup is 4 speeds as well. At least the Camry is a lot more competitive...not that I particularly like it either. Mazda's also at fault for still having 4's, but they haven't exactly made a brand new redesigned 2009 car now have they?
How come Honda can make a 5 speed fit and still keep it affordable?
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Re: Civic MPG's [moocow1] by backy
Jun 13, 2008 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jun 13, 2008 11:50 am)

About the only thing the Corolla tops the Civic and Mazda3 on is that VSC is available as an option on even low-end models like the LE. Not available on the Civic DX/LX/EX at all, and not available on the Mazda3i. That is supposed to change for 2009, with the Civic rumored to get VSC at least as an option.
 
And also the Corolla gets exemplary FE with the 1.8L engine (32 mpg overall on CR's recent tests), but that's not all that much better than the Civic or Mazda3i.
 
Other than that, I don't see any big plus for the Corolla over the Civic or Mazda3i. The Corolla probably has a smoother/quieter ride than those cars, but at the expense of handling, and as you said, if you want a non-sporty small car the Elantra is a less expensive alternative.
 
I'd like the Corolla more if it had a higher-quality interior with a more comfortable driving position, less vague steering, and a bit more rear seat room. Standard VSC (ala the Elantra SE) would be nice too, but VSC does seem pretty easy to get on the LE trim.
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Re: Civic MPG's [backy] by moocow1
Jun 13, 2008 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 13, 2008 12:11 pm)

I never really noticed this economy sedan comparison but it brings home the reason I have to say this rule. Friends don't let friends buy corollas. Please follow it everyone Gotta drop that ridiculous 50k per month corolla purchasing streak. Get everyone into those Mazda3, Civics, Rabbits, Elantras, etc!
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=126610
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Re: Civic MPG's [moocow1] by backy
Jun 13, 2008 (1:00 pm)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jun 13, 2008 12:38 pm)

LOL. Someone could do a lot worse than a Corolla (Forenza, maybe?). It's not that it's a bad car, right? But it just doesn't stand out in the crowd any more, IMO, and especially not at its asking price. If you hadn't noticed, Civics and Elantras are selling like hotcakes too. And some others. All are benefitting from the shift to smaller, more economical cars.
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Re: Civic MPG's [backy] by moocow1
Jun 13, 2008 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 13, 2008 1:00 pm)

I just think everyone benefits if toyota doesn't collect massive sales from selling mediocre cars.
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Re: Civic MPG's [moocow1] by backy
Jun 13, 2008 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jun 13, 2008 1:27 pm)

Have you looked at Focus sales lately? It's not just Toyota getting away with selling mediocre cars...
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Re: Civic MPG's [moocow1] by thegraduate
Jun 13, 2008 (3:00 pm)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jun 13, 2008 12:00 pm)

Acura doesn't offer a 6-speed auto either, by the way, not that its on topic. Honda isn't leading the way across the board! Just clearing that up.
 
Have a great weekend everyone!
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Re: Civic MPG's [moocow1] by aviboy97
Jun 14, 2008 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jun 13, 2008 12:00 pm)

I've heard at the Mazda "water cooler" that the 2009 Mazda3 will put a 5-speed auto in the next gen Mazda3i (thank god, it needs one!!!) Also, possibly a 6-speed manual for the s model.
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Re: Civic MPG's [backy] by cz75
Jun 14, 2008 (9:26 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 13, 2008 1:30 pm)

At least you expect a mediocre car when you buy a Ford.

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