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Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#724 of 879 Re: IIHS Testing [aviboy97]
Jan 12, 2008 (8:58 am)
A few things about the quote from the IIHS:
* In some cases the IIHS has published crash test results on new designs almost immediately after, sometimes even concurrent with, the release of the car to the general public. Case in point, the IIHS published the side impact test results for the 2008 Accord in a press release on Nov. 15. It would have been difficult for the IIHS (but not impossible) to buy a car from a dealer in time to perform the tests for that press release.
* As I noted earlier, the IIHS doesn't perform most frontal offset tests anymore--they are performed by the manufacturer instead. In those cases, the cars are not purchased from dealers, but are selected by the manufacturers and the tests are conducted by the manufacturers and reported to the IIHS. The IIHS reserves the right to re-run the test if they choose.
Verification ratings are based on 40 mph frontal offset crash tests conducted by manufacturers for vehicles meeting requirements established by the Institute. Manufacturers supply information on basic vehicle and test parameters, measurements of intrusion into the occupant compartment, injury data recorded on a dummy representing an average-size man in the driver seat, and video of the tests. Institute engineers review this information and rate vehicles based on the same evaluation parameters used for the Institute's frontal offset test. To ensure manufacturers' good faith participation, the Institute is conducting audit tests.
* Manufacturers can ask the IIHS to test a car outside the IIHS' regular test schedule, but the manufacturer must pay for the car then.
Each year, the Institute offers to test Top Safety Pick candidates early in the model year. The policy is for manufacturers to reimburse the Institute for the cost of vehicles if the tests aren't part of the group's regular schedule.
When side airbags are optional, the Institute tests without the option and will conduct a second test with the optional airbags if the manufacturer requests it and reimburses the Institute for the cost of the vehicle.
So all Mazda has to do is ask the IIHS to re-test the Mazda3 with the optional SABs and reinburse the IIHS for the cost of the test car.
#725 of 879 Re: IIHS Testing [backy]
Jan 12, 2008 (9:54 am)
interesting.....since the mid year change will add side air bags as standard equipment on all models except the base i Sport, I wonder if they will retest it.
#726 of 879 Re: IIHS Testing [aviboy97]
Jan 12, 2008 (12:48 pm)
I really doubt it, unless Mazda asks/pays for it. Usually if a car is close to a new design, they just wait for the new design. Isn't the 3 due for a redux for MY 2010, coming out next year?
#727 of 879 Editors' Most Wanted
Jan 12, 2008 (3:09 pm)
I could swear I saw the 2008 Editors Most Wanted awards on Edmunds recently, and the Mazda3 won. But now I can't seem to find them again. Pretty impressive considering the 3 is an older design than the Civic that won last year.
#729 of 879 Re: Own The 3 And The Civic [backy]
Jan 13, 2008 (9:10 am)
Backy is correct, as the IIHS does accept a fee for "fast tracking" tests, e.g. the 2008 Accord. You can extrapolate data on somewhat analogous models by going to the Euro NCAP website. Although the majority of European models differ from North American models, it's an interesting comparison, as some cars are the same.
Although not one of the vehicles discussed here, it's also interesting - and, perhaps illuminating - that IIHS's test data on the new Scion xB doesn't include side impact results, only front. Maybe Toyota knows something that they prefer we don't know on the new xB.
#730 of 879 Re: Own The 3 And The Civic [colloquor]
Jan 13, 2008 (11:09 am)
Maybe, or maybe the IIHS is planning to test the xB soon anyway, so Toyota decided to wait for that. I just wish the IIHS would be quicker on their tests, particularly the side tests. There's some cars that were redesigned 1-2 years ago and the IIHS has not published side impact test results yet. And some of these are big sellers, e.g. Altima, Elantra, Sentra.
#731 of 879 Re: Own The 3 And The Civic [colloquor]
Jan 14, 2008 (6:53 am)
Colloquor: I just spent a few minutes visiting the "euroncap" website. Thank you very much for the tip. I noticed that euronacp did a side impact test on a Mazda3 that WAS equipped with the side airbags. Did I read their test results correctly? It looked to me like the '06 Mazda 3 did pretty well.
#732 of 879 Re: Editors' Most Wanted [ahightower]
Jan 14, 2008 (9:46 am)
I could swear I saw the 2008 Editors Most Wanted awards on Edmunds recently,
It is, as well as the Mazda6, CX-7, CX-9, and MX-5. They are all the Edmunds.com Editors Most Wanted in their respective class.
#733 of 879 Re: Editors' Most Wanted [aviboy97]
Jan 14, 2008 (10:19 am)
Actually Edmunds.com has not published its Most Wanted awards for 2008 yet. Inside Line did recently publish its "top six" Most Wanted list or whatever they called it, but this is not the same as the Edmunds.com Editors Most Wanted awards. For 2007, those awards included the Mazda6 (sedan under $25k), CX-9, MX-5, and Mazda3s (wagon under $20k). Those awards did not include the CX-7.
Here's the link to the 2007 Most Wanted Awards. For some reason, it's no longer on the Edmunds.com main page: