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#722 of 879 Re: Own The 3 And The Civic [roadburner] by gene2 Jan 12, 2008 (6:02 am)
Replying to: roadburner (Jan 11, 2008 6:21 pm) Roadburner: Thank you for the tip. I will look into "Street Survival."
#723 of 879 IIHS Testing by aviboy97 Jan 12, 2008 (6:12 am)
This directly from their web site:   "The Institute buys the vehicles we crash test directly from dealers. We try to cover as much of the marketplace as we can, choosing vehicles to test that represent a range of manufacturers and the largest portions of new car sales. See our vehicle ratings page for a complete list of all vehicles the Institute has tested. We don't release information in advance about individual vehicles or categories of vehicles we plan to test. Subscribe to our RSS feed for notification of when new crash test results are posted to our site."   The manufacturer has absolutely nothing to do with what vehicles of theirs are tested. Hence, IIHS has chosen not to test the Mazda3 with side airbags and side air curtains. Replies to this message: backy (Jan 12, 2008 7:58 am) aviboy97 (Jan 12, 2008 8:54 am) backy (Jan 12, 2008 11:48 am)
#724 of 879 Re: IIHS Testing [aviboy97] by backy Jan 12, 2008 (7:58 am)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 12, 2008 6:12 am) A few things about the quote from the IIHS:   * In some cases the IIHS has published crash test results on new designs almost immediately after, sometimes even concurrent with, the release of the car to the general public. Case in point, the IIHS published the side impact test results for the 2008 Accord in a press release on Nov. 15. It would have been difficult for the IIHS (but not impossible) to buy a car from a dealer in time to perform the tests for that press release.   * As I noted earlier, the IIHS doesn't perform most frontal offset tests anymore--they are performed by the manufacturer instead. In those cases, the cars are not purchased from dealers, but are selected by the manufacturers and the tests are conducted by the manufacturers and reported to the IIHS. The IIHS reserves the right to re-run the test if they choose.   Verification ratings are based on 40 mph frontal offset crash tests conducted by manufacturers for vehicles meeting requirements established by the Institute. Manufacturers supply information on basic vehicle and test parameters, measurements of intrusion into the occupant compartment, injury data recorded on a dummy representing an average-size man in the driver seat, and video of the tests. Institute engineers review this information and rate vehicles based on the same evaluation parameters used for the Institute's frontal offset test. To ensure manufacturers' good faith participation, the Institute is conducting audit tests. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/frontal_test_info.html   * Manufacturers can ask the IIHS to test a car outside the IIHS' regular test schedule, but the manufacturer must pay for the car then.   Each year, the Institute offers to test Top Safety Pick candidates early in the model year. The policy is for manufacturers to reimburse the Institute for the cost of vehicles if the tests aren't part of the group's regular schedule. http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr111507.html   When side airbags are optional, the Institute tests without the option and will conduct a second test with the optional airbags if the manufacturer requests it and reimburses the Institute for the cost of the vehicle. http://www.iihs.org/ratings/side_test_info.html   So all Mazda has to do is ask the IIHS to re-test the Mazda3 with the optional SABs and reinburse the IIHS for the cost of the test car. Replies to this message: aviboy97 (Jan 12, 2008 8:54 am) backy (Jan 12, 2008 11:48 am)
#725 of 879 Re: IIHS Testing [backy] by aviboy97 Jan 12, 2008 (8:54 am)
Replying to: backy (Jan 12, 2008 7:58 am) interesting.....since the mid year change will add side air bags as standard equipment on all models except the base i Sport, I wonder if they will retest it. Replies to this message: backy (Jan 12, 2008 11:48 am)
#726 of 879 Re: IIHS Testing [aviboy97] by backy Jan 12, 2008 (11:48 am)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 12, 2008 8:54 am) I really doubt it, unless Mazda asks/pays for it. Usually if a car is close to a new design, they just wait for the new design. Isn't the 3 due for a redux for MY 2010, coming out next year?
#727 of 879 Editors' Most Wanted by ahightower Jan 12, 2008 (2:09 pm)
I could swear I saw the 2008 Editors Most Wanted awards on Edmunds recently, and the Mazda3 won. But now I can't seem to find them again. Pretty impressive considering the 3 is an older design than the Civic that won last year. Replies to this message: backy (Jan 12, 2008 2:15 pm) aviboy97 (Jan 14, 2008 8:46 am) backy (Jan 14, 2008 9:19 am) aviboy97 (Jan 15, 2008 8:02 am) and 4 more...
#728 of 879 Re: Editors' Most Wanted [ahightower] by backy Jan 12, 2008 (2:15 pm)
Replying to: ahightower (Jan 12, 2008 2:09 pm) It wasn't the Edmunds.com Most Wanted Awards, but something different: the Inside Line Editor's Most Wanted Awards, i.e. the six cars they like best.   http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=124166
#729 of 879 Re: Own The 3 And The Civic [backy] by colloquor Jan 13, 2008 (8:10 am)
Replying to: backy (Jan 11, 2008 9:04 pm) Backy is correct, as the IIHS does accept a fee for "fast tracking" tests, e.g. the 2008 Accord. You can extrapolate data on somewhat analogous models by going to the Euro NCAP website. Although the majority of European models differ from North American models, it's an interesting comparison, as some cars are the same.   http://www.euroncap.com/home.aspx   Although not one of the vehicles discussed here, it's also interesting - and, perhaps illuminating - that IIHS's test data on the new Scion xB doesn't include side impact results, only front. Maybe Toyota knows something that they prefer we don't know on the new xB. Replies to this message: backy (Jan 13, 2008 10:09 am) gene2 (Jan 14, 2008 5:53 am)
#730 of 879 Re: Own The 3 And The Civic [colloquor] by backy Jan 13, 2008 (10:09 am)
Replying to: colloquor (Jan 13, 2008 8:10 am) Maybe, or maybe the IIHS is planning to test the xB soon anyway, so Toyota decided to wait for that. I just wish the IIHS would be quicker on their tests, particularly the side tests. There's some cars that were redesigned 1-2 years ago and the IIHS has not published side impact test results yet. And some of these are big sellers, e.g. Altima, Elantra, Sentra.
#731 of 879 Re: Own The 3 And The Civic [colloquor] by gene2 Jan 14, 2008 (5:53 am)
Replying to: colloquor (Jan 13, 2008 8:10 am) Colloquor: I just spent a few minutes visiting the "euroncap" website. Thank you very much for the tip. I noticed that euronacp did a side impact test on a Mazda3 that WAS equipped with the side airbags. Did I read their test results correctly? It looked to me like the '06 Mazda 3 did pretty well.

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