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Sedans Honda Civic Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla vs Mazda3
879 messages, Last post on Nov 25, 2008 at 2:57 PM
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Replying to: backy (Mar 23, 2007 6:33 am) The Aura is in no way 10th out of 20. CR doesnt have a clue. As for the Aura reviews they have been overwhelmingly positive. The COTY Award at the Auto show was decided by Automotive Journalists and the Aura came in Number 1, finishing ahead of the Camry. You don't see bias in CR? Thats OK, go by their recommendations. Personally I trust folks who actually know what they are doing. But even then I would never buy anything simply because it is recommended, I would always drive it to see if it felt comfortable to me. Sadly though, many people are lemmings and will not even shop around. Thats an ingredient for Toyota and Honda dealers getting arrogant. And consumers getting ripped off.
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Replying to: eldaino (Mar 23, 2007 9:40 am) I could claim that all mazda dealers suck, but i didn't and they don't. Well based on the same survey results mazda dealers arent so great either....so whats your point?
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Replying to: steve333 (Mar 23, 2007 10:46 am) Two points: 1) Most people are creatures of habit. If they buy a vehicle and the vehicle does a good job for them, they go back and buy another. (Personally, I would have been happy to buy another Olds ... but GM doesn't make them anymore.) 2) Many people DO shop around. And they are NOT choosing domestic brands as often as they used to. I have driven every compact car in the US market (as well as several in the Mexican market) and the imports win hands down in that class. Why? Probably because it has been THEIR priority over the years. The domestics have conceded that market in favor of the suburban assault vehicles Personally, I use Phil Edmondston's Lemon Aid Guides link title and some of the Canadian publications as tehy tend to be far more objective than CR.
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Replying to: jlawrence01 (Mar 23, 2007 1:21 pm) I'm talking drivability. Reliability the Corolla gets the nod, although they are probably not as far apart as you think. Mileage also the Corolla has the edge. Personally I prefer the power in the Cobalt vs the mileage in the Corolla but thats a personal preference. The past is past, when do domestics get a shot again? When the first datsuns and toyotas came over they were tin cans. People gave them another shot. Perhaps its time to give domestics a shot also? But to bolster your argument I will agree that Ford and GM have not put their best foot forward in the small car segment. The European Focus is far better than the domestic Focus and probably one of the best small cars in the world-so why does America get a second best platform? As for GM I expect good things from the next Cobalt since the current one is pretty good, and the Saturn Astra is coming over from Europe this year. But they have to keep constantly improving their small cars (and all their other cars too) in order to compete and win back market share.
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Replying to: steve333 (Mar 22, 2007 9:02 pm) Yet, Motor Trend named the Camry Car of the Year. LOL May I ask how you decide one magazine is better than others at reviewing? Hundreds of thousands of subscribers disagree with what you said, and suddenly their cursed by ya?  Just because a vehicle doesn't get glowing reliability ratings doesn't mean EVERY vehicle will have a problem, just that a higher number of those sampled reported problems. You may drive a car rated lowest in reliability and never lay out a dime after 100k miles on repairs.
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Replying to: steve333 (Mar 23, 2007 3:03 pm) When they make good vehicles. Look at the Ford Fusion. Look at the Chevrolet Impala. These cars are doing well! The Fusion is quite competitive. The Impala has a quality feel not seen in GM products in a looooong time. The Cobalt hasn't benefitted from the Impala's upgrades yet, IMO. Just a little too cheap feeling inside.
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| C'mon folks, we're supposed to be comparing the three subject vehicles here. We're wandering aroung too much and for too long. | |
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Perhaps you should create a discussion comparing the Cobalt? Or visit the economy sedans $16k-20k board so we won't get this particular discussion off track. I'll join ya there, it is a good place to discuss MANY brands of vehicles.
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Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 24, 2007 10:47 am) |
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Replying to: steve333 (Mar 22, 2007 2:37 pm) I respectively disagree, and I will leave it at that. Many people buy a Toyota based on what they read in CR, which is a biased rag. But I digress............ CR bases their reliability ratings on subscriber reviews. Many who subscribe to CR, live and die by their ratings. Most of their subscribers only buy the highest rated cars. That to me means it is a bit flawed. Many are not getting the complete spectrum of all reliable vehicles, I believe many are left out that should not be, perhaps. However, their recommended vehicles do deserve to be recommended. In my opinion, Toyota's are over rated. They will run forever, but offer some of the worst driving dynamics. But, I am young. Toyota's average buyer is 51-55 (many are well over 60). Many, not all, in that age group do not car about performance or handling. Also, with that age group, many do not push their vehicle either, making it more reliable. Younger people tend to drive cars harder, making them more suseptable to problems. Look at Buick. They are recommended by CR, but every mechanically identical GM product is not. Buick drivers are much older and barley drive the car to begin with. Personally, I believe GM products are getting better. I am not at the point where I would buy one, though. I have owned a Toyota, Mitsubishi, Honda, and Mazda. All have been great, with over 100,000 miles on all, except the Mazda (current vehicle with 30,000)
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