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Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla vs Mazda3

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Re: Mazda3 MPG [socal2006] by eldaino
Dec 12, 2006 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: socal2006 (Dec 08, 2006 3:33 pm)

I totally agree... If you can't appreciate how much better the 3 handles compared to the civic, you're probably better off with the civic
 
The civic is just as fun to thrash around. I can appreciate a fine handling car trust me. I've driven both vehicles extensively and there was nothing that i could do in the 3 that i couldn't do with the civic. And trust me i thrashed them about quite a bit. Is the 3 marginally better? Yes it is. Marginally. So marginally in fact that after you factor in fuel ecomomy and resale value, getting the 3 (to me) for sporting abilities doesn't make much sense. Get a true enthusiast car. The civic si could eat the 3 for lunch in the handling dept. and thier power and mileage figures are about the same.
 
I think the 3 is a very nice car, and i actually considered it very strongly at one point esp. the hatch version. But i personally adore the way the new civic looks, that and its horspower to engine size ratio, silky smooth transmission, outstanding fuel ecomomy and great dash layout made it the winner in my book. Do i bash anyone for having a 3? No but it certainly is not so much sportier that it makes the civic pale. Sandman you should toss your civic around...trust me its up to the task.
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [eldaino] by aviboy97
Dec 12, 2006 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino (Dec 12, 2006 10:12 am)

Marginally. So marginally in fact that after you factor in fuel economy and resale value, getting the 3 (to me) for sporting abilities doesn't make much sense
 
The handling is better then "marginal" much better. Edmunds slalom test showed the Mazda3 went through it at 69mph(quicker then the WRX, I know, hard to believe) and the Civic was 64.6. The Mazda3 is also 1 second quicker 0-60 and .8 in the quarter mile. Also, fuel economy, according to CR, is only 29-30mpg highway in the Civic . Resale value is the same.
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [eldaino] by coosamtn
Dec 12, 2006 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino (Dec 12, 2006 10:12 am)

eldaino, is the civic's emergency brake handle against your right leg a problem for you?
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [aviboy97] by thegraduate
Dec 12, 2006 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 12, 2006 12:47 pm)

The Mazda3 is also 1 second quicker 0-60
 
How so? The most recent comparison places the Mazda 3 and Honda Civic against each other. While I think the 3 is a very nice car, I think you have overexaggerated some test numbers based on the Motor Trend article I read and have sitting in front of me now.
 
Honda Civic LX - $17,555:
 
33 MPG
0-60 in 7.7 seconds
Quarter Mile in 16.1 87 MPH
Top Speed 125 MPH
Lane Change 64.6 MPH
 
Mazda 3s Touring - $18,885
 
27 MPG
0-60 in 7.3 seconds
Quarter Mile in 15.8 88 MPH
Top Speed 118 MPH
Lane Change 66.3 MPH
 
So, for an extra 6 MPG, you give up .4 seconds to 60 MPH, less than that in the quarter mile, and some extra grip.
 
It's not a runaway, aviboy. If fuel economy is at all in consideration, the Civic may just top people's list. If max sport tops your list, then the 3 should be up your alley.
 
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [coosamtn] by thegraduate
Dec 12, 2006 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: coosamtn (Dec 12, 2006 12:51 pm)

I know the question wasn't directed at me, but at 6'4", the emergency brake in the Civic sedan was no problem.
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [coosamtn] by eldaino
Dec 12, 2006 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: coosamtn (Dec 12, 2006 12:51 pm)

not really. I'm only 5'8 and it never 'dug' into my leg like others have said. Your knees usually touch something when you sit a certain way and in the civic, its usually the ebrake handle. It was never ever an issue for me.
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [aviboy97] by eldaino
Dec 12, 2006 (1:26 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Dec 12, 2006 12:47 pm)

i'm not one to go by numbers and like i said, the civic is just as capable. The 3 is shod with 17's in that test, and you can get them as an option, but the civic they tested has 16's. Its low numbers were also attributed to its tires; bridgestone turanza el 400s. Those are all season touring tires. The mazda has all seasons as well, but they were performance all seasons (usually either goodyear eagle rs-a's or toyo proxes.) Again its not mazdas fault the civic is shod like this, but handling is very dependent on tires as well. Even so, i'll take ACTUALLY driving both cars and putting them to thier limits in the REAL world over what some article has said. They are good places to start, but the civic handles just as competently nonetheless.
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [thegraduate] by eldaino
Dec 12, 2006 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Dec 12, 2006 1:06 pm)

Thanks for the numbers gradutate. I know avi is quoting the edmunds test, and both of those cars were automatics, but even so, i do belive that a second is a bit much, especially when they don't even cite what the ACTUALL 0-60 times were, they just said the 3 was faster.
 
I agree with the milage too; something i forgot to include in my post to avi: according to mt they averaged 6 mpg more; edmunds observed around seven. That is a big deal. I think, though, that the numbers you posted grad are for mt cars; my auto ex would never make it to sixty in under eight seconds. Mid nines and high eights at best but never that fast.
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Re: Mazda3 MPG [eldaino] by thegraduate
Dec 12, 2006 (1:47 pm)
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Replying to: eldaino (Dec 12, 2006 1:34 pm)

Yes, I think around 9 sec for the EX Auto sounds about right, when I consider my 166 hp Accord Auto runs it in the mid 8s (Motor Trend, Feb 2003)
 
These were MT cars. When we are talking things like tenths of a second in acceleration, nobody is going to be able to notice much of a difference. More noticeable would be throttle response, which is just a matter of how it is programmed. The Corolla I used to drive (my ex-GFs) was plenty quick, but around town it felt like it could be outrun by an iceberg because the throttle tip-in was so soft.
 
More impressive on Mazda's behalf is braking, that is the only test where it showed a significant advantage on the Civic, and again, this is likely largely due to its smaller, less-sporty tires. Not an excuse, just the reason.
 

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