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#449 of 879 Re: Motor Trend, huh? [backy] by rooskie Feb 09, 2006 (2:22 pm)
Replying to: backy (Nov 25, 2005 10:57 am) Where did you see that? I saw something on that too, but it was a discussion forum like this one with a photoshopped picture of a "2007 Civic Si sedan"--in other words, it was someone's fantasy. Is there a press release from Honda or something else official?   Here:   http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=109257 Replies to this message: backy (Feb 09, 2006 3:45 pm) midnightcowboy (Feb 10, 2006 6:01 am)
#450 of 879 Re: Motor Trend, huh? [rooskie] by backy Feb 09, 2006 (3:45 pm)
Replying to: rooskie (Feb 09, 2006 2:22 pm) Which proves that sometimes wishes do come true!
#451 of 879 Re: Civic LX and Corolla LE test drives [backy] by newcivicman Feb 09, 2006 (3:57 pm)
Replying to: backy (Feb 06, 2006 7:35 am) I am also 5'10" and was unable to sit comfortably in the drivers seat of the Corolla...steering wheel is to far away and the angle of the seat is weird. I also found the brakes a bit weaker on the Corolla. Its also was hard to find one with the right options, ABS, airbags, upgraded stereo.(standard radio is poor). The 2006 Civic LX handled better, had better braking and was basically more impressive/fun to drive than the Corolla. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Mar 29, 2006 8:37 am) stinkyreefer (Jun 12, 2006 7:32 am) leavenfish1 (Jun 12, 2006 7:53 am) slaterac (Jun 27, 2006 6:36 am)
#452 of 879 Re: Motor Trend, huh? [rooskie] by midnightcowboy Feb 10, 2006 (6:01 am)
Replying to: rooskie (Feb 09, 2006 2:22 pm) The Civic Si Sedan is more than a photoshop rumor it was announced as a concept car at 2006 Chicago Auto Show: http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=495409
#453 of 879 Re: Civic LX and Corolla LE test drives [newcivicman] by thegraduate Mar 29, 2006 (8:37 am)
Replying to: newcivicman (Feb 09, 2006 3:57 pm) Ok. I just drove a Corolla LE for 100 miles (Huntsville to Birmingham, my girlfriend's car). It was the most awkward thing to drive! I could see out of it well, but the seat is too small for me, and I had to bow my legs in order to have the seat close enough to reach the steering wheel! It drove fine, plenty of power, slightly buzzy/boomy engine, good handling (it was interstate, no real twisties), but I'm glad I didn't bother test driving this. It would have been a waste of time since I am 6'5".   BTW, I test drove a Civic in October and was quite comfortable in it, although not quite as good as the Accord I ended up with. Replies to this message: stinkyreefer (Jun 12, 2006 7:32 am) leavenfish1 (Jun 12, 2006 7:53 am)
#454 of 879 Re: Civic LX and Corolla LE test drives [thegraduate] by stinkyreefer Jun 12, 2006 (7:32 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 29, 2006 8:37 am) Make sure you don’t leave out the Mazda3 on your test drive. I just bought one and had test drove all three of these vehicles. The Mazda3 hands down drives in a league WAY above the corolla, and even better than the civic. Most importantly, it cost me a couple thousand less than the Civic LX, and has better features (4 wheel disc brakes, alloys, stereo controls on the steering wheel, etc) If you are concerned about gas mileage, I wouldn’t buy the 2.3 which by the way is so much more powerful than either the civic or corolla it shouldn’t be in the same class. I bought the 2.0 liter because I drive a lot, it's still way faster than the other two cars. If you're in Socal, I had a great experience at Irvine Mazda. Tony at the internet dept. there hooked me up with a crazy deal and I was in and out of the dealership in (I swear to God), 15 minutes. I don’t have any affiliation with Mazda, the dealership or know the guy at all outside of this transaction. Hopefully their future service is as good.
#455 of 879 Re: Civic LX and Corolla LE test drives [thegraduate] by leavenfish1 Jun 12, 2006 (7:53 am)
Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 29, 2006 8:37 am) My girlfriend is probably 5'6" and even with her short legs has to reach WAY too far for the wheel (Carolla)...unless she's sitting too close then her legs are scrunched up badly...and that 'arm rest' is a joke...if your elbows hung down to your knees it might work, but it's just WAY too low. How could they have so badly designed this??
#456 of 879 Re: Civic LX and Corolla LE test drives [newcivicman] by slaterac Jun 27, 2006 (6:36 am)
Replying to: newcivicman (Feb 09, 2006 3:57 pm) I tried to fit in the corolla yesterday, I'm 6'3", and I couldn't even get my knee past the steering wheel. Maybe that's not the case for all tall people but when I went to the dealer and asked to see if I fit we both just laughed because we didn't think I would and I didn't. But I think that the tall people should try it first and find out that way you can see and either cross it off your list or add it to it if you have enough leg room. I'm looking at the civic and the mazda 3 now that the corolla doesn't fit me. I think everyone should try and make sure though because I'd hate to give advice saying not to try the car at all.   thanks.   slaterac.
#457 of 879 Comparison of all Three by nube Aug 09, 2006 (12:09 pm)
Hi. I'm in the Kansas City suburbs and am looking to purchase one of the three cars listed here.   Recently, I went to five dealerships for each make of car listed here. I test drove all three cars and drew some immediate conclusions. For background, I'm a well-spoken, 31 year old executive at a manufacturing corporation. I currently drive a fully-loaded 1990 Nissan Maxima 6cyl AT that has 211,000 miles. I'm looking for another dependable 4dr sedan with higher fuel efficiency.   First, about the dealerships themselves:   1) Honda dealerships in the KC metro area act as if they're selling BMWs. They're all slick 40-something guys that act like they don't want to sell a car. They've been unresponsive when I walk in wearing jeans & a t-shirt, slightly more responsive when I walk in wearing a suit. Honda dealerships were by far the least friendly I've visited, with the fewest amenities for the customers. Honda dealerships won't move at all on MSRPs and, in fact, twice tried to sell a car to me ABOVE MSRP without justification. None of the Honda dealerships tried to sell me anything other than exactly the car I asked for, with a couple outright saying that they had none of those models+trim on the lot and wouldn't, then thanking me for my time and showing me the door. Overall, they were a D- experience.   2) Toyota dealerships in the KC metro area seem to want to sell cars to anyone and everyone, but are hit and miss for salesmen. Overall, Toyota dealerships seem to cater to a younger crowd, and the salesmen & women are very friendly, treated me the same no matter what I was wearing, and appear to want my business. Toyota dealerships are the least 'proud' of the three in terms of dickering MSRP sticker prices. Toyota salesmen & women have actively tried to move me into a higher or lower priced car when I showed no interest in their offer on Corollas. Overall, they were a B+ experience.   3) Mazda dealerships in the KC metro area are pretty chic. The salesmen & women are all young, attractively dressed, and obviously know they've got a hot lineup of cars. I was met at the door of each dealership, immediately given a salesman, and asked if I wanted anything to drink. They didn't care what I was wearing and generally were friendly, although they all had that 'plastic' smile. Mazda dealerships weren't willing to move on the price of Mazda3's much, but did actively offer me certified pre-owned models as well as Mazda6's instead. Overall, they were a B+ experience.   Now, on to the cars:   The Honda Civic is a fantastic car, no matter which model or trim package you get. Unfortunately, with the horrible, holier-than-thou attitude of the dealerships and salesmen & women, I won't be buying one, even though the Civic was at the top of my list and the dealerships here are offering a 10yr/100k powertrain warranty at no extra charge.   Toyota Corolla is a great car as well, coming in a close second on my list. The car drives well and is comfortable. The gas mileage is the best out of the three, and the total cost of ownership is the least out of the three. I like it and am seriously considering purchasing one. The only limiting factor is the standard warranty. It's horrible, and none of the dealerships wanted to toss in an extended warranty to secure my purchase. That makes me wonder how reliable the car will be!   The Mazda3 is by far the sportiest out of three compared here, and also is the highest TCO and lowest fuel efficiency. After reading extensively about the real world fuel economy of these, I've decided that I have no desire to downgrade from my 1990 Nissan Maxima's 28-30 MPG. While the Mazda3 is the most comparable to my Maxima, it just doesn't suit my tastes. Also, I get the impression that it's not that well-made, as each of the five I test drove had creaks and groans when I got in the car and while driving. Lastly, the ABS brakes did not feel very solid at all while driving in the city during my extended, whole-weekend test drive.   In conclusion, Honda lost a prospective customer due to horrible service. Toyota is attractive overall, scoring points in every category over the competition. Mazda, while having great looking cars, needs to work on real world fuel economy and build quality. Replies to this message: mcap56 (Aug 09, 2006 3:36 pm) philphil (Aug 10, 2006 5:10 am) mcdawgg (Aug 10, 2006 4:09 am) rorr (Aug 10, 2006 5:56 am)
#458 of 879 I went with the Mazda3 by stinkyreefer Aug 09, 2006 (1:29 pm)
I did the same thing as you did in terms of shopping. However, the dealership experiences were are similar. Rather pleasent really, maybe because I drove my Lexus there and told them upfront I had cash for the transaction. The only dealership I didnt like was VW, way too pushy and kept offering me dals that were weak IMO. Anyway, I ended up purchasing a Mazda3. I can tell you that the brakes are superb for such a low end car. I really like it overall. I have the 2.0, MT and just got to about 5k miles. I average 29pmg, that is driving with a lead foot, AC, 87 octane, and in traffic both ways during my 25mi each way commute in southern california. I thought the corolla drove like crap. Civic was 2nd choice on my list, but didnt get it becasue the 3 was cheaper than the civic LX and offered 4 wheel discs, steering wheel stereo controls, and alloy wheels. Those are things that only the civic EX has which would have cost me $5k more than my 3 did. I'd say to take another look at the 3.

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