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#377 of 849 complete list by audia8q Nov 22, 2005 (12:27 pm)
Here is the complete list....some impressive cars and some really lame ones. If I was working at motor trend I would hang my head in shame over some previous winners.   Motor Trend Car of the Year Complete Winners List The complete list of every car that has ever won the award   Motor Trend   2006 Honda Civic 2005 Chrysler 300 2004 Toyota Prius 2003 Infiniti G35 Coupe / Sedan 2002 Ford Thunderbird 2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser 2000 Lincoln LS 1999 Chrysler 300M 1998 Chevrolet Corvette 1997 Chevrolet Malibu 1996 Dodge Caravan 1995 Chrysler Cirrus 1994 Ford Mustang 1993 Ford Probe GT 1992 Cadillac Seville Touring Sedan 1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ 1990 Lincoln Town Car 1989 Ford Thunderbird SC 1988 Pontiac Grand Prix 1987 Ford Thunderbird 1986 Ford Taurus LX 1985 Volkswagen GTI 1984 Chevrolet Corvette 1983 American Motors Renault Alliance 1982 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 1981 Chrysler K-cars, Dodge Aries/Plymouth Reliant 1980 Chevrolet Citation 1979 Buick Riviera S 1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni/Plymouth Horizon 1977 Chevrolet Caprice 1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen/Plymouth Volare 1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2 V-8 1974 Ford Mustang II 1973 Chevrolet Monte Carlo 1972 Citroen SM 1971 Chevrolet Vega 1970 Ford Torino 1969 Plymouth Road Runner 1968 Pontiac GTO 1967 Mercury Cougar 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado 1965 Pontiac Motor Division 1964 Ford Motor Company 1963 American Motors Rambler 1962 Buick Special 1961 Pontiac Tempest 1960 Chevrolet Corvair 1959 Pontiac Motor Division 1958 Ford Thunderbird 1957 Chrysler Corporation 1956 Ford Motor Company 1955 No Award 1954 No Award 1953 No Award 1952 Cadillac Motor Car Division 1951 Chrysler Corporation 1950 No award 1949 Cadillac Motor Car Division
#378 of 849 So ... by mdaffron Nov 22, 2005 (12:44 pm)
They've given the award for 54 years, and non-American makes have won it only five times?!   And three of those import winnings have taken place in the last four years, so prior to 1993, in FIFTY years of this award, it went to non-American cars only TWICE -- and then for a VW and a Citroen???   I'll let the list speak for itself. Honda's new Civic has a lot of, er, "historic" automobiles it can call company in this award: trend-setting vehicles like the K-Car, the Renault Alliance and the Chevy Vega, to name a few.   Geesh! No wonder I never subscribed to that waste of a mag.   Meade Replies to this message: thegraduate (Nov 23, 2005 2:39 pm)
#379 of 849 Envy Protection Agency [mdaffron] by autonomous Nov 22, 2005 (2:52 pm)
Replying to: mdaffron (Nov 22, 2005 11:55 am) http://www.investors.com/breakingnews.asp?journalid=21225877&brk=1   Hi Meade! Actually the story is ... that the EPA is not being realistic in their testing. Consumer Reports, which has been arguing for real world testing, downgrades EPA estimates routinely by 20% for many cars. So, it is no surprise that the EPA got it wrong for the Prius and other hybrids. That does not disprove the fact that hybrids are more fuel-efficient than most dino-mobiles.   "We explain to everyone when they buy the car that those EPA estimates are theoretical," said David Burrill, hybrid salesman for Toyota of Berkeley in California ... "During the first week or so, they may get 42 or 43 mpg, but after that, customers tell us they're getting 48 or 49."   I'm a big fan of Mazda and applaud their long-term hydrogen experiments. What's missing is the short to mid-term proof. Now, if you hear something on the wires about a Mazda3 generating 200 hp and averaging 50 mpg, tune me in. Ford is actually further along the road than Mazda. It may be heresy to some, but maybe Ford has to step in and lay down the law for all their brands. Maybe Mazda needs to learn a thing or two from big brother. Replies to this message: autonomous (Nov 23, 2005 1:02 pm) gearjammer62 (Nov 24, 2005 9:57 am)
#380 of 849 Mazda is going Hybrid [autonomous] by autonomous Nov 23, 2005 (1:02 pm)
Replying to: autonomous (Nov 22, 2005 2:52 pm) Further to the previous post, here is news from the recent Tokyo Motor Show about Mazda's hybrid and hydrogen plans, including an upcoming Mazda Tribute Hybrid that is based on the Ford Escape. It's happening!   http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103322
#381 of 849 Re: So ... [mdaffron] by thegraduate Nov 23, 2005 (2:39 pm)
Replying to: mdaffron (Nov 22, 2005 12:44 pm) Yes, such cars as Nissan 300ZX won the title of "Import Car of the Year" before the magazine dropped the award and decided to have just one. This is why no imports are really found in the pre-1990s awards. The import car-of-the-year s are not mentioned here. There used to be two awards, one for foreign, one fore domestic. Don't count your chickens, Meade.
#382 of 849 Kid's car by gearjammer62 Nov 24, 2005 (9:57 am)
Replying to: autonomous (Nov 22, 2005 2:52 pm) My 18 y/o nephew has the new Mazda 3. I drove it and it was ok - nothing stellar. You can really tell Ford owns this company - cheap plastics, tinny sounding doors and hood, and already a few buzzes and rattles.   I have also noticed the J.D. Power quality scores based on actual consumer feedback for Mazda are always below Honda and Toyota.   After driving one, I see why.
#383 of 849 Re: Motor Trend, huh? [backy] by gearjammer62 Nov 25, 2005 (9:13 am)
Replying to: backy (Nov 22, 2005 11:28 am) backy - just saw today that Honda will produce a sedan version of the Si alongside the coupe for the '07 model year - with the same 197hp K20Z3 engine and 6 speed MT in the coupe that is getting rave reviews. Way cool. Replies to this message: backy (Nov 25, 2005 11:57 am) rooskie (Feb 09, 2006 3:22 pm) backy (Feb 09, 2006 4:45 pm) midnightcowboy (Feb 10, 2006 7:01 am)
#384 of 849 Re: Motor Trend, huh? [gearjammer62] by backy Nov 25, 2005 (11:57 am)
Replying to: gearjammer62 (Nov 25, 2005 9:13 am) Where did you see that? I saw something on that too, but it was a discussion forum like this one with a photoshopped picture of a "2007 Civic Si sedan"--in other words, it was someone's fantasy. Is there a press release from Honda or something else official? Replies to this message: rooskie (Feb 09, 2006 3:22 pm) backy (Feb 09, 2006 4:45 pm) midnightcowboy (Feb 10, 2006 7:01 am)
#385 of 849 Re: Green with Envy? [mdaffron] by eric29 Nov 26, 2005 (9:12 pm)
Replying to: mdaffron (Nov 22, 2005 11:55 am) According to this report, all the economy claims are overstated, not just the ones for the hybrid:   http://autos.msn.com/advice/CRArt.aspx?contentid=4023460
#386 of 849 According to what? by gib11 Nov 28, 2005 (5:19 pm)
Gearjammer62, when you say that the MZ3 felt "cheap plastics, tinny sounding doors and hood", You say that according to what? A BMW standard? Then I agree with You. Otherwise, I really dont. I own the 5 doors, and its a blast to ride even today. By the way i have the 5man. and bought the car in octobre 2003. It has 30000miles. I didn't have much problem (cel). And it doesn't rattle, and the doors close very eurepean like. The inside different plastics and textures don't look cheap at all. The limonescent lighting (you don't get that in the i) with blue and red is very cool and calming for the eyes. The seat, firm but confortable. Good for sport driving. Then theres the look. Everything well put together inside/out. Not even considering the riding quality, the exterior looking, and a strong motor (2,3l, 160hp), I thing the mazda3 is a darn remarquable car for its price. Not cheap at all!

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