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You are in the Honda Civic
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#216 of 879 Re: Just remember friends ... [legalpenguin]
Oct 06, 2005 (10:11 am)
Well, speaking of reviews of the 2005 Civic, did you read Edmunds' own economy-car comparison for 2005, which came out just a few months ago and is available on the home page right here at Edmunds?
The one where the Mazda3 received first place and the Civic came in second?
The one that said of the Mazda3:
Most economy sedans feel like a compromise. The 2005 Mazda 3 isn't one of them. Its level of refinement is far beyond that of the others. Drive it and you'd swear you were in a car from a different class, a higher class. Drive it and you smile. ... Sporty yet upscale, nimble yet comfortable, the 2005 Mazda 3 is a dream car among economy sedans. It's the new Jetta VW should have built. Need an affordable compact car this year? Buy this one.
Of the 2005 Civic, it said ...
Granted, the seventh-generation Civic no longer has the performance and refinement to keep up with the Mazda 3, but it still offers a pleasant driving experience and outstanding fuel economy.
#217 of 879 Re: Just remember friends ... [mdaffron]
Oct 06, 2005 (10:24 am)
This isn't so much to knock you, as much as Edmunds:
Most economy sedans feel like a compromise. The 2005 Mazda 3 isn't one of them
The compromise of the 3 is the fuel economy loss to the Civic. People that want an economy car generally want the most economy for the money, being a Civic or Corolla each delivering 40 mpg or higher. You could buy a Honda Accord manual tranny and get better mileage (26/34) than the 3 (25/32), while having a much nicer interior, still sporty driving characteristics (still inferior to the 6 in the sporty part but more than the average driver will ever use), and better resale value.
It is about compromise, it just depends on whether you want to compromise cost of fuel (5-8 mpg) for 20 horsepower. I must say, that on the daily grind to work, I rarely wind the tach above 3,000 rpm. It isn't necessary, and rarely possible in the traffic, all the more fun to get my city mileage much higher than a 3!
Oct 06, 2005 (10:26 am)
If you are more concerned about mileage, get an i model. It get's quite a bit better mileage than the S, in the ball park of the CIvic.
#219 of 879 Re: Just remember friends ... [thegraduate]
Oct 06, 2005 (10:29 am)
I guess some of us think it's worth that loss of 8 mpg to have a vehicle that's a bit more unique than the run-of-the-mill, plain-vanilla herd car that Honda stamps out to the masses.
#220 of 879 Re: Just remember friends ... [mdaffron] Edmunds Economy Review
Oct 06, 2005 (10:48 am)
Concerning Edmunds review of "economy" cars It was kind-of an oxymoron, because economy, as in miles-per-gallon, didn't seem to be the main focus because the winner Mazda 3 averaged only 20.8 miles per gallon.
Most people when you talk about and "economy" car think in terms of best miles per gallon or TCO (Total Cost of Ownership).
P.S. -My performance 6-speed Honda Accord Coupe V6 EX w/NAV gets much better mileage than a Mazda 3 and also signifciantly out-accelerates it!
#221 of 879 Well, remember also ...
Oct 06, 2005 (11:04 am)
There's more to the "economy" of an economy car than gas mileage. In fact, economy cars are labeled as such more because of their sticker price than their gas mileage.
From wikipedia.org (which is the first "hit" you get when you type "economy car definition" into Google:
An economy car is an automobile that is designed for low-cost operation. Typical economy cars are small, light weight, and inexpensive to buy. The Oil crisis of the 1970s caused a great deal of emphasis on economy, leading to a shift to smaller front wheel drive cars like the Volkswagen Beetle and Honda Civic.
#222 of 879 Re: civic [autonomous]
Oct 06, 2005 (11:20 am)
Like I said near the end, you'd maybe buy the mazda 3 for looks, so I'm assuming that each person here would atleast go and look at the car before making their own judgement about how the car looks.
If you were to compare my comparison to a consumer report, then you might as well just read that instead, this report is based on MY opinion. I tried all three cars out in both manual and automatic for atleast 2 hrs each. You seem to have something against me ranking the mazda 3 at the low end of the 3 econo cars. If you own a mazda 3 then I suggest you try rate the cars without a bias. From past experiences with mazdas (my friend's rx-7 and protege and family member's MPV minivan) the engines were a pain to fix, and often showed much more problems on long trips(2 yr old mazda minivan with <50k miles broke down twice while we were passing by tahoe) than Hondas or toyotas, so although qutie reliable, mazda reliability still(as far as self repairs and long term ownership) is still in my opinion, not up to par.
#223 of 879 Re: civic [ezpilze]
Oct 06, 2005 (11:27 am)
Right ... in your opinion. Here's my history with Mazda cars to date:
1992 Protege LX: 28,000 miles, no problems (totaled in hydroplaning accident)
1992 Protege LX no. 2: 83,000 miles, no problems (and I racked up all those miles in only 28 months -- 3K miles a month -- delivering pizzas during college)
2000 Protege ES: 91,100 miles, front strut bushings replaced at 85,000 miles ($250 job)
2002 Protege5: Wife's current car, 55,000 miles, no problems
2005 Mazda3: My current car: 10,500 miles, no problems
I don't have any experience working on Mazda engines because in five cars, 14 years and a little over a quarter of a million miles, I haven't had any engine problems!
#224 of 879 Re: Well, remember also ... [mdaffron]
Oct 06, 2005 (11:45 am)
I'm female so I think differently, more logically too because I work in law. From what I've seen, guys tend to focus solely on performance and looks. Nothing else that anyone says matters.
I bought a Honda Civic because most experts say it's at the head of its class overall...period. Apparently a lot of people like the way it looks because it's flying off the lots. It's still a leader in its class.
It doesn't surprise me that a Mazda fanatic is going to continuously say derogatory and purely subjective things about the way a Honda looks. The Mazda is slightly different but I don't think it's very unique --I think it's take a lot of its look from the Toyotas, especially the Corolla. They both have a lot of soft rounded corners all over it which makes it look very feminine. I prefer classic lines and more definition.
I think mpg nowadays is a big selling point in cars because of the gas prices. Makes sense. The news says hybrids are hot! If you go for looks and performance, that's your perogative. However, I believe there are more important aspects to consider when you are spending your hard earned dollars on a car these days.
Mazda is a good car, don't get me wrong. I prefer Hondas and Toyotas. For years, they have been at the top of their field bringing customers cars that are known worldwide for their reliability, quality, resale value and gas mileage.
Oct 06, 2005 (11:49 am)
I believe the previous poster who mentioned his opinion after looking at all three brands said that Mazda's reliability isn't as good as the others is talking about all Mazdas out there as a whole, not just yours, Meade. I'm glad you had no problems, but not everyone is that lucky.