Last post on Nov 25, 2008 at 2:57 PM
You are in the Honda Civic
What is this discussion about?
Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Mazda MAZDA3, Sedan
#134 of 879 Re: I think this says it best. [legalpenguin]
Sep 19, 2005 (5:00 am)
So there! Does that answer your questions now?
Actually, no, it doesn't. But it does show me where you're basing your opinion. You are saying Honda has a lot more "value for the money" because Hondas are all you know about. You have never had any experience with Mazda, and you're relying on supposition and personal subjectiveness to make your point.
I've purchased five vehicles in the Protege/Mazda3 line since 1991. I have put a combined 268,000 miles on those five vehicles. The only problem I had in all those cars and all those miles was a set of front strut bushings worth about $220 on a car that had 85,000 miles on it (and my extended warranty covered it -- I paid a $50 deductible). I also believe I caused those bushings to fail with my "slaloming" down our street to entertain our 4-year-old son. But in any case, $220 over more than a quarter-million miles seems pretty reliable to me.
BTW, I also get free oil changes for the first 36K miles and free tires for life (as long as I do my service work at the dealership). I get a free loaner car for any service -- and not just warranty work; I can even have one if I don't want to wait around for one of those free oil changes. I get free roadside assistance during my warranty period.
My dealer was fresh out of Chuck E. Cheese and pedicure coupons, but I did get a $90 set of "premium" floor mats thrown in for free; my dealer has detailed my cars on occasion for free just because I'm a repeat customer; and my wife and I were offered our cars at invoice because of our loyalty. My wife and I received Mazda key rings and a bottle of touch-up paint for each of our most recent cars in the mail. I appreciate real up-front savings and extras which have something to do with the car as opposed to gimmicks like water park tickets and shopping sprees. BTW, where was your $1,000 shopping spree good at?
As for looks, the Civic has classic lines. I also dig the fancy headlights. It's also definitely sporty looking especially with the added spoiler. I sure get a lot of looks driving down the road! What does that say?
Absolutely nothing. It's all subjective. I happen to like Mazda over Honda for exactly the reasons you stated. And I don't know how you get all those looks driving down the road, since Civics are about as common as a Big Mac 'n fries. I not only get looks in my Velocity Red Mazda3 hatch, I get spoken compliments. Lots of 'em. A lot of people want to know what kind of car it is. I'll bet you've never been asked that.
I don't need all the fancy bells and whistles, even though I couldn't turn down a Civic LX Special Edition with it's leather wrapped steering wheel, alloy wheels, an awesome audio system with 6 CD/MP3, and a spoiler. I bought the car for under $15,000. With the added protection of a navigation system, I couldn't go wrong.
My 3 came with a leather-wrapped steering wheel and shift knob, 17-inch alloys, and a spoiler standard. I didn't have to buy a "special edition" to get those things. It also came with a much more powerful engine (160 vs. 115 hp) that also has VVT but also has dual overhead cams as opposed to your Civic's SOHC, disc brakes on all four wheels as opposed to your Civic's drums in the rear, fog lights (an option on yours), and oh -- this makes a big difference in your wallet down the road-- a timing chain that never needs to be replaced, as opposed to your timing belt which will set you back about $500 every 60,000 miles. Your Honda's engine is an interference engine too, btw; my Mazda3's is not; so even if my timing chain does ever break, my engine won't be history as your Honda's will be with a much more likely timing belt failure.
All the aforementioned stuff was standard on my Mazda3. I didn't opt for any of the (relatively few) options since I didn't need them.
Funny -- I don't see a navigation system listed even as optional equipment on the Civic LX, even the SE. It is an option on the EX, which drives the MSRP of that model up to $20,000. So what kind of Nav system to you have? Garmin?
My Mazda3 hatch MSRP'd for only $1500 more than your Civic. Considering the features that are standard on the 3 that you have to pay extra for on the Civic (or aren't available at all), I say I got more for my money. And speaking of "added protection," my added protection didn't come in the form of an electronic map. Mine came in the form of a better standard warranty, plus a 6-year, 100,000-mile bumper-to-bumper extended warranty my dealer sold me for half price. (Another loyal customer perk.)
You can't just compare the two cars' prices and say the Civic is the winner. The Civic LX is a lot less car than the Mazda3s. Plain simple, you get what you pay for. Maybe you should be comparing the Civic LX with the Mazda3i, which is a much fairer comparison -- even though it still blows the Civic out of the water performance-wise.
#135 of 879 Re: I think this says it best. [mdaffron]
Sep 19, 2005 (7:23 am)
Meade, you sure like to make incorrect assumptions about people you don't even know (and what do they say about that? ). And you are more than welcome to continue to talk to your heart's content, but you are not going to change my mind about my choice of automobile. I made the absolute best choice for me after doing a ton of research on all of the vehicles in the compact class.
If you wish to continue to bury this right into the ground, that's your perogative. I don't care. Because I could have told you this from the beginning - we are talking about two different cars and car companies here. There is no comparison IMO. You love your Mazda and I love my Honda. You believe you got your money's worth and I know I got my money's worth. It's a win/win for both us. Isn't that all that matters? So let it go already man and get a life please.
#136 of 879 Let's not ...
Sep 19, 2005 (8:01 am)
Let's not turn this into something personal, please. Both of you can agree to disagree without the digs. Thanks.
#137 of 879 Re: I think this says it best. [legalpenguin]
Sep 19, 2005 (8:05 am)
And one last thing. No need to answer, but think about this. How you can be subject at all about any other automobile when all you know is Mazda? Your messages are extremely biased for that reason. But I have to say I'm amazed to see someone so passionate about a vehicle!
This is my first Honda. One of the reasons I bought it is because everyone I know who owns a Honda has said they had no problems with theirs and would buy another one. Previous to that I owned Toyota (Camrys and Corollas) for 16 years. I put on a large amount of miles on those autos as well with no major problems either. That's why I kept buying them.
I don't care about a ton of bells and whistles, whether they are standard or not. All I want in a vehicle is well-known reliability, an excellent track record of owner satisfaction and an excellent rating year after year in cost of ownership over the long haul. That what I've gotten in Toyotas and that's what I will get with Hondas.
Have a great day! And as Dennis Miller would say -- I'm outa here!
#138 of 879 Materials on Mazda 3
Sep 19, 2005 (10:05 am)
I am planning to either buy a 06 Mazda 3 or 06 Corrolla S or 06 Civic LX. Does anyone know if the dashboard on a Mazda 3 or Corrolla S used hard plastic or do they used those rubbery soft material on their dashboard, because i know that civic used those standard hard plastic everywhere inside of their vehicle.
#139 of 879 Re: I think this says it best. [legalpenguin]
Sep 19, 2005 (10:45 am)
Do you have the 2005 or 2006 Honda Civic LX. Is the dashboard and interior covered with hard plastic or with thoes rubbery soft material on your Civic?
#140 of 879 legalpenguin ...
Sep 19, 2005 (11:39 am)
I'm not trying to change your mind. This is a comparison discussion, and I'm debating your statement that the Civic gives you more for your money. I am sorry you took my post personally; it was not intended to be taken as such.
#141 of 879 Re: I think this says it best. [drexelnet]
Sep 19, 2005 (12:50 pm)
I have a 2005 Honda Civic LX. The dashboard and interior are covered with hard plastic. No rubbery soft material at all.
#142 of 879 Re: legalpenguin ... [mdaffron]
Sep 19, 2005 (12:56 pm)
I didn't take your tone as a debate. And frankly, I don't wish to be a part of whatever it is anymore. I did my own comparison and that is really all that matters. I went with the Civic. I bought my Honda Civic LX SE for less than what all of the other dealers in the area were going to give me for a regular LX with nothing else added in. So it's not just me who said I got a lot more for my money. The dealers who lost their bids said the same thing. I DID get more for my money. Period. There is no debate on this issue.
#143 of 879 Re: legalpenguin ... [legalpenguin]
Sep 19, 2005 (1:42 pm)
Best to drop it if you don't want to be a part of it anymore ...