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You are in the Subaru Forester
What is this discussion about?
Subaru Forester, Wagon, SUV
Sep 30, 2005 (12:59 pm)
Camry is wider. Keep in mind the Highlander is the SUV on that platform, and it's bigger.
5 speed on the tranny means the ratios might be a bit closer. That may or may not matter to you, make sure you drive both.
Subaru has used 4-sensor 4-channel ABS since 1998 on the Forester. If Honda added that, it was recently. They used to have a cheaper 3-sensor system, basically the back two wheels used only one sensor.
I think since Honda added stability control for 2006, they had to add a 4th sensor, so now, finally, it has it. 8 years after Subaru.
Stability and traction control are nice. Especially VSC. Traction depends, because I've been trying to find out if it gets disabled with RT4WD engages (like on the Hyundai Sante Fe), if so the usefullness is severely limited. Detail on the system is scarce.
I think the Forester will get slightly better gas mileage, because it's shaped a little more aerodynamic and weighs less.
#124 of 1436 Re: help! [andrelaplume]
Oct 01, 2005 (3:35 am)
1. Once engine broken-in, pick-up is fine because there is alot of power above 4K rpm.
2. No. 3 kids, no problem. 2 adults and 1 kid for short trips.
3. Noise in stock 2006 Forester is acceptable but it doesn't take much to make it very quiet. I put sound damping material in the doors, under the back seat, and under the cargo area so now I hear the cheap Geolandar G900 tires and wind noise. Next week I'm replacing the stock tires with 600 miles on them with very quiet TripleTred tires from Goodyear. Should make a big difference. The wind noise will take some time to track down but not impossible to fix. BTW, the sound damping material in the doors made the up-grade speakers sound twice as good!
4. Get the premium package. It's worth the extra money. I love the moonroof because the car handles and drives likes a sports car and you also get upgrades on the radio/speakers, a power front seat, better fabric on the seats, etc.
5. Depreciation is probably the best in its class. I'm not selling mine until I get 250k miles on it, and then maybe not even then.
6. Can buy extra warranty protection during the first 3 years/36k. I never buy that sort of thing.
7. no. just frontside bags. They are in the front seats.
8. The dealer tinted my windows with 3M film for $200. Looks great and probably will never scratch.
#125 of 1436 Re: thanks..couple more... [andrelaplume]
Oct 01, 2005 (3:50 am)
Yes, leg room is tight in the back seat unless the front seat is moved up a couple of inches.
I doubt if you will notice any difference between a 4-speed and 5-speed automatic transmissions.
Forester with the premium package has 4 wheel anti-lock disc brakes. Don't know what the "4 channel" phrase means. The Forester's full-time and real-time all-wheel-drive (AWD) is heads and shoulders above "traction control and skid control". I mean, Subaru's AWD is the MAIN REASON why people buy Subaru in the first place. Their AWD systems are just as good as the AWD systems found in cars that cost twice as much!
Gas mileage will be about 23 city/28 hwy once the engine/tranny and tires are broken in. So don't judge what your initial gas mileage in a new vehicle is because it will get better after 5k miles.
Probably they are offerring you a 2005 model Forester. I would pay the extra money and get the 2006 because it has a number of significant mechanical improvements over the 2005 model.
Oct 01, 2005 (8:19 pm)
I checked that already...20K + tax and tags.
What all this about needing sound dampening. Our RAV is way noisy...can't stand it. Hope the sub is quieter.
Also, the 06 ha NO body molding....is it me or is that just asking for trouble?
#127 of 1436 Re: It is a 2006... [andrelaplume]
Oct 02, 2005 (2:51 am)
The stock 2006 Forester has a lot of sound control so I would rate it as average or acceptable. It is not a Lexus. I just like to make the vehicle as quiet as possible so I added sound damping material one week-end. Probably if you just change the OEM tires for a truly quiet tire it would make a big difference.
The '06 does have body molding (clading)......they added the body color tint to the plastic so it is the same color as the vehicle.
#128 of 1436 Re: sound damping
Oct 02, 2005 (10:48 am)
I have a 2006 Forester and would like to undertake what you did to make the car quieter. What sound damping material did you use and where did you purchase it. Also, is it hard to take door panels apart to put the material in? Thanks, Joe
Oct 02, 2005 (6:18 pm)
you guys are worry me...I hope this sucker is not one of those cars where you have to scream in order for t he person next to you to hear you!
I guess I'll find out in the morning.
As far as no body molding...that cladding is platic on the lower half of the car...? It odesnot appear to stick out far. Also, why would it not chip? The rubber molding is suppose to protect the entire door from chips....it would appear the cladding will end up chipped all over...I mean it is not white molded platic but rather painted plastic right?
I did some research and the Forester is on small side of the small SUVs. I'd rank it with the Outlander and Rav. In fact demensionally it is almost the same as the RAV save for the Rav being shorted and having terrible rear hip room. The Escape/Tribute, Tuscon are larger and look more truck like due to the height. So is the CRV though you could argue that is a mid size.
I really hope our test drive works out. I am just afraid I am going to feel like I am in a station wagon not a little SUV!
#130 of 1436 Re: sound damping [baboo]
Oct 03, 2005 (4:08 am)
Joe, for each door I used 2 10"x10" pieces of dynamat cut up in smaller sections that I placed on the doors' sheet metal. There is small opening in the door that allows you to reach inside to place the damping material. I also used 1/8" ensolite MLC foam which I glued to most (flat) of the inside portion of the door trim. Actually, since I was not that experienced in this I took the car to an auto trim shop and let the guy do the job while I watched. He was fast and didn't have any problems taking the door trim off. If I had been doing it I would have taken some time. It's not that hard once you have seen it done. You need a flat trim tool to pop the fasteners and a screwdriver for the 2 screws. You need to use both the sound damping material and the foam.
For the floor under the back seat and the cargo space, I did that myself. I bought 50 sq/ ft of b-quiet ultimate and 3 yards of 1/4" ensolite MLC foam. Used 3M auto trim spray adhesive to glue the foam to the b-quiet. The bottom back seat is a snap to get out once you unbolt it and access to the floor of the cargo area is also easy. I had enough material left over that I did the trunk of my '99 Olds Intrigue.
Check out the web site of Rammaudio. They offer the best prices. I didn't use his materials but now wish I had. Do a lot of research on the net before you start. You don't need 100%coverage of the sound damping material. On the doors I had about 40% coverage and on the floor (since it was easy) I had about 80% coverage. Cut the stuff with heavy-duty scissors. Use WD-40 for clean-up.
This sound damping stuff is addictive so you have to draw the line somewhere.
#131 of 1436 Re: sound dampening... [andrelaplume]
Oct 03, 2005 (4:13 am)
andre, the stock Forester is quiet so you don't have to scream to the fellow passengers when doing 70 mph. However, if you want the most from the audio system a little sound damping material goes a long way. If you are just going to be driving around town the Forester is fine the way it is.
My wife calls the Forester a SUV wannabe.
#132 of 1436 Well we drove the forester and outback....
Oct 03, 2005 (4:15 pm)
My impression was the Forester is a wannbe SUV where as they Outback excepts that it is a wagon and it proud of it. Both drove about the same. The Outback, being 10" longer suprisingly offered no extra rear leg room and only a little more cargo room. The outback looked 'richer' where as the Forester looked a little banal. Bottom line is the Outback is $2500 more but comes with alloys, heated seats/mirros, extra airbags, a spoiler and splash guards. It would seam the better value until I start to think that I am paying 24K out the door for a wagon...seems pricey. The Forester is only 21.5K (otd) and though not even in my top 5 when it comes to mini suv looks, it is a well oiled machine in most repsects, and the cheapest I see out there today. I am unsure what we will do....I guess we'll need to see what happens with the rebates since we only 'discovered' the sub a few days ago and could not make a decision in today.
On thing upsets me about the Outback. They switched from 16" H rated tires to 17" VR rated. I learned the hard way recently that 1) bigger tires cost more. 2) Performance tires cost more. 3) Performance tires wear faster. On my Camry I got about 23K out of my H rated Traction T/As. I was told this was not bad. (if the Camry had AWD I could have gotten a few more miles out of 'em) I downgraded to standard tires and was told I'd likely get 30-35K AND the tires were about 15% cheaper. I asked about the Outback's 17" VRs and was told they are way upscale on the performance end. I was told they may only last 20K and they cost $175+ per tire to replace. That is a phenomenol amount if you need to replace tires every 2 - 2.5 years.
Why did Subaru do this? What was wrong with the 16" H rated ones? Anyone have any experience w/17" VRs and replacement cost. I was leaning towards the Outback but now am back in the Forester (or in the still looking) camp. Maybe I should look for an 05 Forester...though I wiuld guess they are few and far between now.
Thanks for all the help the last few days!