Subaru Minivan in 2007?

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#53 of 92: they need to bring... by once_for_all; Aug 09, 2005 (8:42 am)

vehicle stability assist in also.

It is sure easy to tell a manufacturer that they need to do this or that to improve their vehicle and make more sales, but then we say we can't afford the vehicle anymore.

I am waiting for the Mazda 5 to come in with a TDI. I am still convinced that my next vehicle will be a diesel, especially if I can cash in on the energy bill's supposed $3400 tax credit (not deduction!) for a clean diesel.

Yowsa. Still wishing Subaru would come in shortly with either a diesel (unlikely) or a good hybrid system (seems far off also).

John

#54 of 92: Mazda5 by ateixeira; Aug 09, 2005 (9:04 am)

To be fair it comes in at a lower price point, but I'd take VDC to avoid an accident rather than curtains in the 3rd row that only come in to play if you're in one.

Gas mileage isn't that good, either, in fact it really ought to be better given the engine size.

Price is great, though, and perhaps that is why they made some compromises. They kept AWD and power sliding doors in Japan, those key features won't be in US models.

-juice

sweet_subie (Aug 09, 2005 9:13 am)
- ateixeira (Aug 09, 2005 10:01 am)

#55 of 92: Re: Mazda5 [ateixeira] by sweet_subie; Aug 09, 2005 (9:13 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 09, 2005 9:04 am)

It is inexcusable that Subaru is selling Tribeca for 39k without 3rd row of side air bags.

ateixeira (Aug 09, 2005 10:01 am)

#56 of 92: Re: Mazda5 [sweet_subie] by ateixeira; Aug 09, 2005 (10:01 am)

Replying to: sweet_subie (Aug 09, 2005 9:13 am)

I don't really agree.

First, side curtains don't really protect children, since they'd be in booster seats. And children are the ones that are going to be back there.

The other thing is the rear quarter window is so tiny that the head would hit the thick D-pillar if anything, not the window. I'll try to find a photo for reference.

-juice

#57 of 92: Rear window by ateixeira; Aug 09, 2005 (10:02 am)

Look how small this is. Compare to the 5, which has a window probably 4 times bigger, and where the 3rd row passenger might actually contact the glass.

-juice

sweet_subie (Aug 09, 2005 1:01 pm)

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#58 of 92: Subie "5" by once_for_all; Aug 09, 2005 (12:52 pm)

The Dream Mazda 5:

Boxer engine (173 hp) with VTD, stability system, and AWD.

Price point: $20k.

John

#59 of 92: Re: Rear window [ateixeira] by sweet_subie; Aug 09, 2005 (1:01 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 09, 2005 10:02 am)

juice,

for 39k, is VDC & 3 rows of airbags together too much to ask for ? c'mon don;t justify this anymore.

#60 of 92: 39k? by ateixeira; Aug 10, 2005 (7:42 am)

They max out at just over $38k, and those sell for $35k or so. You build to a certain price point. No, it doesn't have everything, but the vehicles that do run low $40s in that segment (go price a loaded XC90).

Maybe if it had 3-row SAC it would cost $39k, LOL.

John: they would lose money on every one. You're talking about a Forester with added features and interior space. Price would be more like $24k for a base model, $28k well equipped.

-juice

#61 of 92: juice, by once_for_all; Aug 10, 2005 (8:40 am)

well then it won't compete favorably with a 2wd Mazda that sells at $18k.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Impreza, which would compete at that price point.

John

#62 of 92: Small People Mover by ateixeira; Aug 10, 2005 (8:44 am)

Tough to say what the starting point would be given those two share a platform. But I can't imagine they could build a 3-row 6 seater for less than the price of a Forester. VDC adds cost, too. So my guess would be a price $2000 or so higher than a Forester.

Look at how Mercedes priced the R-class. Ouch. $10 grand more than an ML, the SUV it's based on.

-juice