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#534 of 540 Re: Very disappointed [jfishinger]
by william1942
May 18, 2012 (8:59 am)
I also have a '09 Civic Hybrid. I just had IM Battery work done. My gas mileage has gone from 24mpg up to a whopping 34mpg. This is mixed driving and actual calculations from the amount of gas used and odometer miles. I agree with the techie that you cannot believe the mpg from the dashboard. It told me that I was getting 29mpg before and 38mpg afterwards. "It is just fine" is the techie blowing smoke.
#535 of 540 Re: 2009 civic hybrid - it's in the driving techniques [william1942]
by hybridsucks
Jun 09, 2012 (8:27 am)
I'm having the same issues with my 09 civic hybrid. This situation is beginning to REALLY piss me off! I'm getting 24 mpg city/34-35 hwy and my dealer tells me their this nothing they can do and that there is nothing wrong with the car! They sent their "driver" out with it to "check it out" and came back with the report that he was getting the required mileage. LIARS!!!! I hyper mile with the best of them and if I slow down going up a hill (of which there are very few in DFW, TX), I will get run over, flipped off, etc. I'm talking sometimes, in order to keep the little mileage gauge over 30%, I have to slow to a crawl. I have fought this battle too long and I will never buy a Honda - ANY HONDA - ever again. I used to be a loyal Honda customer but no more. They will NOT help me with this. My daughter drives our older model 04 civic hybrid and she gets 40 in town without hyper-miling. I am tempted to take all of my evidence - and I have every single record - to court and let my consumer rights attorney handle it. ARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#536 of 540 It is what it is, (MPG) wise ...
by tigerhonaker
Jun 10, 2012 (8:47 am)
William,
A total waste of your Time & Effort.
As I have Posted many times on Multiple INTERNET Sites.
Terry
#537 of 540 MPG pre and post update
by bryan772
Jul 09, 2012 (8:07 pm)
2009 Civic Hybrid
47City/55Hwy before update
Freeway Range ~620 miles
Frequent 200 mile round trip drive resulted in just under 3/4 tank remaining gas
45City/33Hwy after update
Freeway Range ~350 miles
Same 200 mile trips result in 1/3 tank remaining
After ~50 MPH, RPMs remains high after update. On 75MPH flat freeway car stays at ~2800 - 3500 RPM (used to be 1800 - 2100). Feels as if last transmission gear or overdrive was removed if it was a regular transmission. With such a small tank, cruise distance greatly reduced as well. Honda refuses to help.
Dec 04, 2012 (11:40 am)
This thread hasn't seen much activity, but I'll toss in my 2 cents too. I picked up our 06 HCH in 09 and it was quite good until the software recall. We consistently got 44-46 mpg no matter how we drove the car, quite an amazing feat. We had it for about 2 years prior to the recall. The only complaint would be the LRR tires. Those things are terrible when it's wet, but being in Socal that doesn't get to be much of an issue.
When we needed to change tires I opted for the non-LRR tires. Mileage did go down, it went from the previous 44-46 to 40-43 mpg. None of this was based off the computer, but calculations I did while filling up. We had 2 tanks of gas with the new tires before the recall and yes both tanks were 40-43 mpg.
Then I was foolish and took the car to a Honda dealership for service and they performed the recall and other stuff I needed to get done. Mileage dropped precipitously to 32 mpg and the noticeable lack of battery started as all the other posters have mentioned. I took the car back and they said everything was fine. I even had the service manager in the car when the car dumped the the battery from nearly full to 0 and start recharging and we had no electric assist. I asked him, "Is this normal? It never did this before." His answer, "Yes it's perfectly normal." He then proceeded to tell me I didn't have the LRR tires, which I know would not cause a 10 mpg drop from the previous two tanks. Ah...there's nothing like being lied to straight to your face.
So that's our story. I can tell the IMA battery in our HCH is obviously low and the recall is managing to prevent the battery from an early demise, and keep Honda from paying for a replacement. From everything I've ready I think if your IMA battery is ok, then the recall doesn't upset mileage that much, possibly not at all. But if your IMA battery is marginal, then the recall will have a serious affect. From the volume of posts and stories around the net since the recall it seems that Honda has a significant percentage of IMA batteries meeting an early demise. If they didn't I doubt they would have put resources in to the recall to contain the costs associated with the replacements.
It's been a year or so after the recall and now that the tires are more worn down I can sometimes eek out 38 mpg with serious effort. But I usually get 35 mpg and sometimes 32. The program is obviously tailored to LRR tires. It's not bad, but the constant battery reboots make driving the car quite challenging, especially getting on the freeway. The car is almost paid off now and the payment is ridiculously low so it's not really worth trading it in. Although every time the battery reboots I think about it. Which is pretty frequent! Problem is, I don't know what I could get to replace it and keep such a low payment. Although from a driving perspective nearly anything would be better! As a matter of principle we won't be buying any more Honda's. Honda made a calculated risk that this wouldn't lose them too many customers. I hope that calculus is wrong. It'll make them produce better products in the long run. Products that I won't be buying, but hopefully will benefit others. Honda seems to have addressed the issue in the 2012 HCH, but too late for me and for Honda.
#539 of 540 Loved my car . . . Now, not so much
by justsaayin
Jan 09, 2013 (9:37 pm)
My Civic hybrid mileage continues to be lower and lower. I bought it new. . . a 2009. The hybrid battery has been replaced 2x by about 55,000 mi. (Scary) I even get poor mileage on the 5 between L.A. and San Fran. Can't blame it on a jack rabbit take-off in that case. I need to keep this car after it's paid off and had liked it enough that I wanted to. . . Just the same, the crummy and crummier gas mileage is a real dud. I am curious as to how off the number "estimated gas mileage" can be in the judge's mind and still be acceptable.
#540 of 540 Mileaga not so great
by andy176
Mar 25, 2013 (6:51 pm)
Bought a used 2003 HCH last year. The battery had been replaced several years prior. The car gets 34 mpg in town. I wonder if this is a software problem and whether it can be fixed. Probably not. Also, the car rattles a lot, something in the passenger door. Besides the problems, I'm happy with the car. For the price it runs well.