Last post on Mar 25, 2013 at 5:51 PM
You are in the Honda Civic Hybrid
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Honda Civic, Hybrid Cars, Fuel Efficiency (MPG), Sedan
#518 of 540 Re: 2011 HCH MPG Significant Drop- what to do now? [csgseattle]
Dec 07, 2011 (5:05 pm)
Sounds like you have a problem with the EM Battery not keeping enough charge to engage the electric motor. My HCH Dealer put a service bulletin fix on my 2009, and it didn't improve anything. I was getting 33 mpg combined HWY & City. Only 29 mpg?, something is wrong!! I traded my 2009 HCH in for a new 2011 Toyota Camry Hybrid. It gets 35 mpg combined, and 37.5 Hwy. We sacrificed comfort and quality for a few less MPG. We are retired. The HCH would make a great commuter vehicle at its advertised MPG, but we don't have to commute anymore.
Again, Honda just doesn't compare to Toyota's Hybrid Technology. The Regional Honda Corp told me to take it to a dealer and have them do a fuel consumption test. They have to keep the vehicle for several days to do this testing. Most Honda Dealers just buzz you off regarding MPG issues on their Hybrids. I suggest you trade yours in for a Toyota Hybrid. Used cars are at a premium right now, especially Hybrid's. Searching the Internet is the best way I found in finding what you want. Visiting Dealers, while looking, is a waste of time. We drove 90 miles when we found our 2011 Toyota Camry Hybrid on the Internet. It was at a Ford/Suburu Dealer & used with 1300 miles on it. It was exactly what we had been looking for in a new vehicle. This car was like new, but at used car price. We really were lucky, but it took looking on the Internet, a lot.
#519 of 540 Re: 2011 HCH MPG Significant Drop- what to do now? [csgseattle]
Dec 07, 2011 (5:46 pm)
It sound to me like you are hitting the reset button, and then watching average MPG display to get numbers like that (27 to 50). it means nothing until you have run enough fuel through it to get a good average. My 07 will read anywhere from 25 to 130 when i reset mine. And of course the numbers are going to drop when idling cold, you have no miles / gallons I found that i get an average of 45 MPG throughout the year, driving it like a car. I can push that figure higher by driving like an old man. 41 in winter 49 in the summer. I have both a Honda and a Toyota and would take the Honda over the Toyota and day. Better car, better dealer, less problems and recalls. Sure, the Toyota may have more technology,but it will someday cost you some day. Thank goodness for extended warranty's.
#520 of 540 Re: 2011 HCH MPG Significant Drop- what to do now? [mrwaug]
Dec 08, 2011 (10:25 am)
How do you get 45 mpg on an 07 HCH? Did you not get the software upgrade? I get 30 mpg and I drive with fuel economy in mind! I no longer have low resistant tires, but still.
My original tires got chewed up at 32,000 miles due to some sort of suspension defect. I thought my car was going to fall apart, it was shaking so bad. Went to Les Shwab assuming I needed an alignment. They said tires were SHOT! They also couldn't align it properly due to this defect. Went to Honda who put in control arm fix (whatever that is). This was a KNOWN issue, they just didn't bother to fix it until asked. My replacement tires were not low resistance and I noticed a 2 mpg or so decrease. What I would really like an answer to is HOW I got my car serviced and tires rotated at Honda and NO ONE said a thing about the abnormal wear on my tires.
Bottom line is since the software upgrade, shortly after my new tires, my mpg took another hit. The battery constantly recals - every 10 miles or so - and the auto stop hardly ever comes on. Honda just blames it on the tires.
My sister loves her 2006 Prius and so do I when I drive it - 50 mpg no problem.
#521 of 540 Re: 2011 HCH MPG Significant Drop- what to do now? [mrwaug]
Dec 08, 2011 (10:55 am)
Yes - I reset trip A for each tank of gas. In Feb under the same driving conditions I was getting 38-40 mpg, now I am getting 29-31 and I had never seen the mpg gauge drop while idling like the other day. A few tenths I can accept, but not 5 mpgs in 60 seconds! Nothing has changed except my mpg and Honda has no explanation.
Can anyone advise on how to escalate with Honda?
#522 of 540 Re: 2011 HCH MPG Significant Drop- what to do now? [csgseattle]
Dec 08, 2011 (11:45 am)
Escalate to your Regional Honda Corp., tell them the problems with your MPG and the Dealer that appears to not have fixed anything. Other than that, sell it, and buy a Toyota, or try the Ford Fusion.
#523 of 540 Re: 2011 HCH MPG Significant Drop- what to do now? [frednjudik]
Dec 11, 2011 (1:55 pm)
I read about about the suspension up date on Edmunds and got that taken care of right away, I kept the original tires until the were bald (45k) and then bought Bridgestone LRR tires. I had the computer up date done last year. It did not change the actual fuel mileage, but the average fuel readout now reads about 3 mpg less than actual mileage. You did mention Cold day in Seattle, That will Kill your mileage. It may be a Hybrid, but it is still an internal combustion engine. The effects of temperature, humidity and altitude affect the efficiency. So any condition that creates and oxygen rich atmosphere will cause more fuel to be consumed, So living in Seattle you have three strikes, Cold, High Humidity and sea level. Most cars would not show much difference, but an high efficiency in most hybrid cars are greatly effected. Things like low tire pressure, anything other than 0-20 oil, sand bags in the trunk are going to effect fuel mileage.
#524 of 540 Re: 2011 HCH MPG Significant Drop- what to do now? [csgseattle]
Jan 21, 2012 (3:09 pm)
You wont get any joy from Honda.
This is an issue and its gonna cost too much for Honda to fix.
Those who opt-out of the Class Action suit may get some joy if Honda think the numbers are within there tolerance.
I have written to my congressman because this is more than individuals getting duped, this is about Americans believing in new fuel efficient technology and whether they are taking a "big" risk in wanting to go green.
I for one wont buy a Honda "fuel efficient" vehicle again.
#525 of 540 Re: 2009 civic hybrid - it's in the driving techniques [krisdef]
Mar 21, 2012 (5:38 pm)
I am sorry for your experience. I have just sold my 2008 HCH with a heavy heart - I loved this car, but I fell in love with another car ( which has much worse gas mileage ) and that was that.
The 2008 HCH was an incredible performer for me. Toward the end, with 72k miles on it, I could not have gotten bellow 39 had I tried. Most of the time I was getting from 41 to 45 in mixed and not particularly careful driving. One week, determined to wring every last drop of fuel from it, I got an amazing 57 mpg on a tankful of gas.
The 08 was incredibly reliable. Not one problem. Not one service visit for anything other than maintenance. It got wonderful gas mileage when I really applied myself to it. When I didn't, I got lower gas mileage, but never less than 39.
It's all in how you drive it. My new car is rated at 28 - 32 city/highway. I'm currently getting 37 mpg out of it, having been well trained by the HCH.
#526 of 540 Re: 2009 civic hybrid - it's in the driving techniques [bionicman1]
Mar 22, 2012 (6:28 am)
It is a shame that you sound like a HONDA representative. My own gas mileage dropped from 35 city/ 40 Hwy down to 24City/28 Hwy over almost two years. I was repeatedly told that I just didn't know how to drive. I replaced my original tires at 33k miles to a much less recommended tire, got no reduction in gas mileage at all. (the dealer tried to tell me "That is the problem" until I showed him me records of mileage over the last two years (EXCEL Spreadsheet). He gave me some more crap until I started to get angry in the dealership and online. He had the audacity to complain that he didn't appreciate me telling him " I'm just blowing smoke up your butt". However after they actually did a thorough testing of the car's electrical system, they replaced the IMA battery and, so far it seems to be running better. I will report back after I have gone through a full tank of regular gas.
#527 of 540 Re: 2009 civic hybrid - it's in the driving techniques [bionicman1]
Mar 22, 2012 (9:07 am)
I believe you couldn't get below 39 mpg even had you tried. I also believe pigs can fly.