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Hyundai Sonata, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion, Sedan
#33 of 2824 is the comparison flawed?
Sep 03, 2005 (5:37 am)
I've read the Edmunds "2006 Hyundai Sonata vs. 2005 Honda Accord vs. 2005 Toyota Camry", and it seems that the Sonata V6 is being compared to 4-cyl models, both Accord and Camry. If somebody sees it differently, please correct me. Otherwise, we should be reading an apples-to-apples comparison . . .
We own a 1999 Accord EX V6 and have had absolutely no problems in 5 years. It gives us a combined gas mileage of 21mpg. We expect that a 2005 or 2006 model would be an improvement over that, but we cannot afford to buy the same model new car, and are considering the Hyundai V6. However, the owner-reported actual gas mileage for the Hyundai does not seem to be that great.
Can anybody else report on their Hyundai V6 gas mileage?
#34 of 2824 Re: is the comparison flawed? [norab]
Sep 03, 2005 (7:42 am)
There are two ways that auto publications usually do comparison tests, more or less. The first way is to buy vehicles at a similar price point, and compare performance, execution, features, etc. Thats what happened in this comparison test. Otherwise, and this is what CR usually does.... they equip vehicles similar and gauge value based on price variations. Had edmunds.com used an Accord and Camry V6, they would have been $24K.
Personally, Im not a fan of edmunds.com comparison tests, but I thought this one was well done (The more cars tested, it seems, the more trouble edmunds has writing a credible review, free of factual errors, etc.)
#35 of 2824 Re: is the comparison flawed? [norab]
Sep 03, 2005 (8:41 am)
Another factor is that few of the 2006 Sonatas are fully broken in yet - defintely a factor in fuel mileage results. How well you'd take to a Hyundai is another issue to consider. Sonatas aren't bad, but, they're no Accord, either. I came to my '03 Sonata after I totaled my '96 Accord. My Sonata's been trouble free, but the Accord was a better "driver's car" - and utterly reliable for over six years, itself. The new Sonatas may well be an improvement in roadholding - but I've had no time behind the wheel of one to establish a personal reference. I've been criticized on this forum for not being a loyal Hyundai Sonata pom-pon "booster", but where a $20,000.00+ purchase is concerned coming from a competitive make with an established track record, I'd rather tell it like I've found it and take the lumps from a few die-hard, vocal, Hyundai "uber all" loyalists, than have someone expensively disappointed by overly enthusiastic comments from me.
My '03 Sonata V-6 was rated by the EPA to deliver 19 mpg city/27 mpg highway. At nearly 16,000 miles clocked, I'm getting 22+ mpg city/31 mpg highway. The '06 Sonata V-6s are rated (I believe) by the EPA at 22 mpg city/30 mpg highway. Once broken in, they should do a bit better than their EPA ratings which are on the conservative side.
#36 of 2824 Re: is the comparison flawed? [norab]
Sep 03, 2005 (9:37 am)
I live in a rural area, so, most miles are hiway miles at 55-70 mph. We have 2700 miles on our 2006 Sonata LX V6 and get 30 mpg when driving conservatively on state hiways at the posted 55 mph where the small towns are 6 miles apart. Freeway speeds of 70 mph reduce that to just under 29 mpg. Did get 33 mpg with a strong tail wind.
#37 of 2824 Re: Only time will tell [akaristos]
Sep 03, 2005 (12:03 pm)
CR is less than enthusiastic about the new Sonata. The newest issue of the comprehensive CR Auto guide doesn't even publish the normal CR reliability matrix. Their early review of the 2006 Sonata points out less than stellar handling and the new engine/transmissions. After reading the article, I chuckled at another Toyota/Honda wannabe's analysis. It looks like the 2006 Sonata is better compared to the Chevy Malibu/Mitsubishi Gallant/Mazda 6/Subaru sedans, rather than Toyota/Honda. I'll have to give Hyundai credit, it's not a bad effort for a ship building corporation whose sideline is autos and should appeal to those only shopping for price and warranty, not high resale and long-term reliability. Price rules many households and should have a good effect on Sonata sales.
#38 of 2824 Re: Only time will tell [oldjoe]
Sep 03, 2005 (12:25 pm)
I have driven the new Sonata twice actually, once during a test drive and another time with my friend. I have to say, I was impressed.
If you were to give me a choice between the Camry and Sonata. I would go for the Sonata. But if you were to give me a choice between the Accord and Sonata I would go for the Accord.
#39 of 2824 Re: Only time will tell [oldjoe]
Sep 03, 2005 (12:40 pm)
What do you mean by "high resale", number of dollars or value as a % of the price paid? A few months ago I looked into Edmunds projected resale for Sonata, Accord & Camry. The difference compared to the price paid was next to nothing. That was based on the '05 Sonata, Accord & Camry. Who knows what the '06's will do?
#40 of 2824 Re: Only time will tell [ctalk] -So LOGICALLY
Sep 03, 2005 (1:40 pm)
"If you were to give me a choice between the Camry and Sonata. I would go for the Sonata. But if you were to give me a choice between the Accord and Sonata I would go for the Accord. "
Number 1: Accord
Number 2: Sonata
Number 3: Camry
Is that was you are saying ? If so, I would tend to agree.
#41 of 2824 Re: Only time will tell [et al]
Sep 03, 2005 (11:05 pm)
In my "humble" opinion resale value (and trade-in value by extension) statistics may give an idea what used cars are "worth" as a guide, but are essentially meaningless once the issue comes down to an individual owner's sample, how desirable the car is generally, and the time of month when the dealer may be pressured to move stock. A car, like any commodity, is only worth what someone else or a dealer is willing to pay. Even Kelley Blue Book evaluations can be (and are) fudged by dealership evaluators and/or sales managers.
#42 of 2824 Re: HAPPY SONATA V6 OWNER [zed421v]
Sep 04, 2005 (12:50 am)
I second that. I just completed the 1200 mile run-in and changed to M1 5-20 at 900 miles. After a very high speed run between Boston & Maine I am very impressed by this car. Extremely quiet and stable, everything works. The engine seems to be loafing at 2,500 - 3,000 RPM (you will have to buy the car to calculate what speed that translates into).
The car simply reeks of intelligent design and carefully calculated choices. For example some of the interior trim may not be as fancy as a Lexus but the engine is right up there. Frankly I would rather pay for that. The interior room is great--it swallowed my wife & three kids (10, 8, & 5) with no problem.
At the price point where its at its untouchable. I shopped it very carefully against the 2005 Accord and Camry Solara and cost was not the main issue....value was. I am delighted with my choice.