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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [jpnewt]
by backy
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Feb 06, 2006 (3:21 pm)
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Replying to: jpnewt (Feb 06, 2006 2:54 pm)
I agree, long-term reliability is a major factor for many (maybe most) people when buying a car, especially in this class. What I tried to explain in my last post, about "crossing the bar", is this: For some buyers (including me), the Hyundai reliability record (which is one of the best in the industry over the past five years according to CR, even if it's not yet as good as Honda and Toyota), coupled with the long warranty and maybe with personal experience (or with the experience of friends or relatives), is sufficient to cross the bar. For some buyers, like you, obviously it's not enough, and even the prospect of saving a few thousand bucks up front won't change that.
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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [snakeweasel]
by ontop
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Feb 06, 2006 (3:23 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Feb 06, 2006 2:54 pm)
We are trying to spread the truth bro, trying to spread the truth.
Just refuting what anybody else says here doesn't make you right. You do realize that don't you?
Plus it seems you're AOK with the cheaper things in life, which is fine for you, but not for everyone else here. The Sonata is cheaper than an Accord EXV6, but nowhere near as refined.
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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [backy]
by ontop
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Feb 06, 2006 (3:24 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 06, 2006 3:21 pm)
Well said
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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [backy]
by bobw3
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Feb 06, 2006 (3:34 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 06, 2006 3:21 pm)
Even if it "crossed the bar," the question still is whether or not the 10 or 20 percent premium for a Honda or Toyota is worth it. Just because it finally crosses the bar to make it worth considering, doesn't mean it's the best overall value. But I will say that it does cross the bar and is worthy of consideration, where before it was not even worth considering.
Again, for me the 100K warranty doesn't mean much in today's cars that don't even need a tuneup for 100K miles. What about post 100K miles? And if you're a short-term buyer, then you have to look at resale value. Again, I know your experiences have been good, but I know lots of smokers in their 80's but that doesn't make it healthy.
For me, I'll give them another 5 years but until then, it's not worth the risk to me when there are so many other choices for a 4 door sedan.
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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [backy]
by jpnewt
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Feb 06, 2006 (3:38 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Feb 06, 2006 3:21 pm)
I can appreciate your view and is well put. You or your family have had some good experiences with Hyundai and unless you get burned it is probably where you will stay. I have seen many opposite stories and feel Hyundai is NOT even an option at this point. I will defer to you on the 5 year quality since I have not seen it but 1 question, is it Initial Quality or a 5 year quality report? When Hyundai (which I have said is getting better) can show me a sustained Quality and Safety record then I will think about Hyundai. Keep in mind Safety should be a BIG issue here not just Quality.
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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [jpnewt]
by backy
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Feb 06, 2006 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: jpnewt (Feb 06, 2006 3:38 pm)
My statement was about reliability (not quality, that is difficult to put numbers on although JD Power tries), and was based on the latest reliability study published by Consumer Reports in their 2005 Annual Auto Issue. It covers MY '97-'04. The 2006 study will be out in a month.
As for safety, we know what the Sonata has done with the NHTSA tests (all together now: "they are bogus! etc.") and we will know in early March what the IIHS test results are. Other factors on safety are the standard safety features like ESC and ABS built into every Sonata--so I don't have to take a chance of finding the car I want with all the safety features I want, as on the Fusion and Camry ('07 Camry is much better, and '06 Accord not bad except for no ESC on 4-bangers).
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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [jpnewt]
by bobw3
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Feb 06, 2006 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: jpnewt (Feb 06, 2006 3:38 pm)
I guess at this point there's no longer a need to keep going around and around this topic. The fact that Hyundai is getting better every year means that Honda & Toyota will have to get better to stay competitive. That makes everyone winners, both Honda and Hyundai potential owners.
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Re: Resale Value – Past, Now, and Future [snakeweasel] by tenpin288 [cxc] [travler] [snakeweasel]
by travler
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Feb 06, 2006 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Feb 06, 2006 2:57 pm)
Long before you'll here from an Accord or a Camry.
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Re: Resale Value – Past, Now, and Future [94hawkskin]
by 03accordman
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Feb 06, 2006 (4:09 pm)
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Replying to: 94hawkskin (Feb 04, 2006 8:59 pm)
And the Accord has trumped every other publications comparisons. But you must not have seen those, right?
By the way; Edmunds compared a 6 cyl Sonata to 4 cyl Camcords; back to the price factor again.
If today the Sonata were not priced as low as it is (they need to give our 3000 dollar rebates to sell them) not many people would be buying it, even though it is a much improved car
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Re: Sonata ratings plus quality overall [bobw3]
by jpnewt
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Feb 06, 2006 (4:09 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 06, 2006 3:56 pm)
Absolutely! I'm here more now to defend Honda because of some bogus claims about price difference ranging from $8K to $10K and those who say they would buy a Sonata even if it was priced the same as a Accord or Camry. I trust Honda and can not say the same about Hyundai.
*disclaimer
*The views here are strictly my opinion and not stated here to piss any New Sonata owner off! 
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