Last post on Feb 06, 2006 at 6:12 PM
You are in the Hyundai Sonata
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion, Sedan
#1453 of 2824 Re: Fusion [littlez]
Dec 03, 2005 (7:19 pm)
I'd be worried about the first vehicles with the long warranty breaking Hyundai's bank on warranty repairs.
Personally I don't care about the warranty breaking any car company's bank. The warranty is there to protect you and me, the consumers. That is the purpose of a warranty.
I bought my Hyndai with faith in their product, part of which was based on Hyundai's backing of the reliability of their product.
If Hyundai backs it reliability longer than others and there is a problem covered, good for me. If another company's warranty is for a shorter duration and a problem falls to the consumer, good for the company, not the buyer.
#1454 of 2824 Re: Fusion [backy]
Dec 03, 2005 (8:08 pm)
I don't care about Ford's list, I told you they were not stellar. Try reading with your eyes open next time.
Just about every major problem on 1999/2000 Sonata's is a powertrain problem. Just because it's not a recall, doesn't mean it isn't a major problem.
Give me a break, engine replacements on both the 4 and 6 cylinder and tranny replacements on both the manual and automatic. Those sound kind of major to me.
Get over it!
#1455 of 2824 Re: Fusion [littlez]
Dec 03, 2005 (8:27 pm)
There's no need for insults just because you don't like to read facts related to a topic you brought up.
I could suggest that you read with your eyes open also. There was no engine replacement mentioned at all for the Sonata. Do you like making things up? That seems to be a habit with you, starting with making up details on JD Power reports. There were five problems mentioned in all for the 1999-2000 Sonata. Two had to do with the powertrain. That's 40%--far from "just about all".
Also, you haven't shown any evidence that these problems mentioned on the Consumer Guide are "major problems" as you originally asserted. We don't know how many cars were affected by these problems. There might have been 100 transmissions replaced. We don't know. One of the problems mentioned was a CD player that needed to be reset by removing a connector in the fuse panel for ten seconds. Another problem caused gas pumps to click off prematurely. Are these "major problems" too?
Maybe you could get over trying to make more out of these kinds of problems than is there. No one said that the Sonata is flawless. It's also not the reliability disaster that you seem to think it is, and in fact compares favorably to the other makes in this discussion for reliability.
#1456 of 2824 Re: [leadfoot6]
Dec 04, 2005 (5:28 am)
I am glad that neither your 2002 Accord nor your 2000 Camry has been one of the problematic vehicles in the MSN current statistics for more than one million Accord or Camry.
#1458 of 2824 Re: Fusion [backy]
Dec 04, 2005 (6:59 am)
"You haven't shown any evidence that these problems mentioned are major problems" and "two had to do with powertrain" and "there was no engine replacement"
The website mentions a problem with the 4 and 6 cylinder engines and a problem with the automatic and manual transmission. That is four powertrain problems.
Here are quotes from the website:
On the 19996 Sonata Automatic problem, "Hyundai was replacing the tranmissions under warranty."
On the 1999/2000 Sonata 2.4L engines: "Replacement required."
That's all, I'm not lying or making it up.
Also, if you want to do a little more research, call up several Hyundai dealers and ask about the V6 engine replacemetn problem and the manual transmission problem. They are real.
Also, I never said the Sonata was flawless and I never said is was a disaster. Those are your words.
Have a good day!!
#1459 of 2824 Re: Fusion [littlez]
Dec 04, 2005 (8:22 am)
I have done my research, thanks. Maybe you would like to do a little more, however...
Do you really consider a canister purge valve and a mass airflow sensor part of the powertrain? Well, I don't. I think of powertrain as the engine and transmission, differential, that kind of stuff--not emissions stuff. I can kind of understand the MAF sensor being considered part of the powertrain, but not the canister purge valve. Anyway, when they say "replacement required" it's not an engine replacement--it's the replacement of the canister purge valve. Why would you think the entire engine would be replaced because of a problem in a canister purge valve?
I don't dispute that these problems are real. But what the problems amount to is this:
* One problem on '99s with the CD player that was fixed by removing a connector in the fuse box for ten seconds. Not a biggie, would you agree?
* One problem with auto transmissions on '99s that requires a replacement transmission under warranty. This is obviously a significant problem, but there is no indication how many vehicles were affected--10 or 10,000? So we don't know the affect on Hyundai financially, in supporting the warranty claims. That was the focus of your point about Hyundai's warranty being a financial drain on the company (paraphrasing), correct?
* One problem on '99-'00s with a restriction in the vapor recovery line that causes gas pumps to click off prematurely. Is this a major problem--really costly for Hyundai to fix? Doesn't seem to be, to me. No engine or transmission replacement needed here.
* One problem on '99-'00s with the stock canister purge valve that causes hard starting or rough idle on 2.4L engines, and may require replacement of the canister purge valve--not the engine. Doesn't sound to me like a huge problem either.
* One problem with manual transmissions on '99-'00 Sonatas that requires installation of a "kit" to fix--not a replacement transmission. Since manual transmission Sonatas are rare in the U.S., this also should not be a big drain on Hyundai financially.
* One problem (and recall) related the MAF sensor on 2.5L '99-'00 Sonatas, which required only the rerouting of the MAF sensor's wiring harness to correct. No new parts, no engine or transmission replacement, no drain on Hyundai financially.
* One problem (and recall) related to the side airbag wiring on '99-'01 Sonatas, which was fixed by more securely attaching the air bag wiring harness and connectors to the seat frame. No new parts (maybe some fasteners), no engine or transmission replacement, no drain on Hyundai financially.
So including the two recall actions, I still count two powertrain-related problems, one which required a transmission replacement, and no engine replacements. But I don't include mass airflow sensors and canister purge valves as "powertrain." Two out of seven is not "almost all" in my book. Even if we include the MAF sensor as part of the powertrain, that's only 3 out of 7.
Since this is a comparison discussion, I invite you to do a similar analysis on the problems for the same years of Ford, Honda, and Toyota mid-sized cars and see what conclusions you draw about the reliability of Hyundais in general and the Sonata in particular, compared to the likes of the Contour, Taurus, Accord, and Camry.
#1460 of 2824 Re: Fusion [littlez]
Dec 04, 2005 (9:38 am)
Just as an FYI:
Here is the government web site that allows anyone to lookup vehicle recalls. If you use it to look up recalls for a specific year vehicle, it will show you the recalls, what the recall was for, and the number of that vehicle involved in the recall.
SaferCar.gov Recall Site
Dec 04, 2005 (11:20 am)
1998 – 2002 Accord has significant problems with transmission/driveline and moderate problems with engines.
I can't speak for the other vehicles you mentioned in your post, but the transmission problem with the Accord affected between ONE and TWO percent of the vehicles. Over 98 percent of owners had NO problems with their transmissions. Now certainly, when you sell 350-400k per year, that 1-2% is a sizable number. But like everything else, those with problems will speak up much more than those without problems. People generally don't visit discussion boards just to write "I have a XXXXX and I have no problems--I love it and just wanted everyone to know!" Some things get blown out of proportion.