Last post on Feb 06, 2006 at 6:12 PM
You are in the Hyundai Sonata
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, Ford Fusion, Sedan
#1439 of 2824 Re: Fusion [backy]
Dec 03, 2005 (2:20 pm)
OK, backy, here you go:
1999 Sonata - Automatic Transmission problem. Transmissions were replaced.
1999/2000 Sonatas - 2.4L Engine problems. Engines were replaced.
1999/2000 Sonatas - Manual Transmission problems. Not sure if they had to be replaced, but there was a TSB out on these for gear ratio problems. It looked as if some were replaced and some were repaired.
1999/2000 Sonatas - 2.5L V6 Engine problem. Engines stalling. Again, some were replaced, not sure all had to be.
These are the powertrain issues I mentioned. Just didn't have time until now to find the data.
Keep in mind these are just the Sonatas. I did not include the other Hyundai vehicles. Take a look at all Quality and Reliability studies in 1999, 2000 and 2001, Hyundai, as a company, is in the "bottom half" in quite a few of these studies. And in some studies, they still are.
Now, I know that Hyundai has improved their quality and reliability, as most studies show, and maybe their recall record is not as bad as other imports. (I was not discussing Honda and Toyota recalls) I was only addressing the perception that Hyundai vehicles, as a whole, may not be as good as many believe.
I know Ford's recall list is not stellar either. I never said they were great. Just that they have come out with a pretty good trio of cars; Fusion/Milan and Zephyr.
Thanks for the discussions.
#1440 of 2824 Re: Fusion S drive [backy]
Dec 03, 2005 (2:22 pm)
Thanks for an honest review.
#1441 of 2824 Re: Fusion [littlez]
Dec 03, 2005 (4:38 pm)
Since these were no recalls on the 1999-2000 Sonata involving the powertrain, I can't find the information you mentioned. Could you please post the links for the details on these problems? I am particularly interested in the number of cars affected by these "major powertrain problems" for the 1999-2000 Sonata. Thanks.
Then maybe we can get back to discussing the 2006 Sonata, Accord, Camry, and Fusion.
#1442 of 2824 Re: Fusion [littlez]
Dec 03, 2005 (4:52 pm)
If I remember correctly, which I may not, wasn't your original comment about the 10 yr/100,000 mile warratee for the drive train?
The cars you feference don't seem to have hit the 5 year mark (ok, possibly the '99 & '00, depending upon when the problem hit).
My previous car was a '91 Chrysler with a "long for its time" drive train warrantee, 7/70,000. At 56,000 miles and 6 years, 11 months the tranny crapped out. Dealer took care of it under warrantee and waived my $100 deductible. 22 months and 15,000 miles later the second tranny crapped out. Warrantee on the 2nd tranny (I found out at that time that it was a rebuilt, not new) was only 12/mos & 12K miles.
Cost for the third tranny, which I had to pay, was over $1700. And, it performened terribly when the temperature was between 30 and 50 degrees (not good in New England). I took it back to the dealer within a week. Dealer checked it and said nothing was wrong, it met all factory specs. It got worse last winter & I decided it was time to get rid of this 14 year old car with only 110,000.
So, I went 56K without any drive train problems, then 15K on a rebuilt (which I think should have been new) and then paid $1700 for a replacement (probably a rebuild) that didn't function properly immdiately.
Regardless of the make, give me the comfort of a 10 yr/100K drive train warrantee. The warrantee says that if something goes wrong you don't have to pay for it.
Other than the tranny problem the '91 LeBaron GTC convertible was a great car.
#1443 of 2824 Re: Fusion [driverdm]
Dec 03, 2005 (4:59 pm)
I checked out a Mazda 6 today but didn't drive it cause it was closing time. But the interior was very nice, moreso than the Fusion. The controls felt good, looked precision, and were laid out just right. Gated shifter with manumatic.
My first time in a 6 (be gentle with me) was favorable, and if it drives anything like it looks, this car is a winner.
How is this car related to the Fusion?
#1444 of 2824 Re: Fusion [leadfoot6]
Dec 03, 2005 (5:42 pm)
Same platform. Ford stretched the chassis and softened the ride a little. That's one of the things I like better about the Fusion. In the 6 you feel every bump and crack in the road. Not so with the Fusion/Milan.
#1445 of 2824 Re: Fusion [bhmr59]
Dec 03, 2005 (5:45 pm)
Actually, I made a comment about the long warranty potentially biting Hyundai if their quality was not there.
As with your repairs, the dealer did the first one under warranty, but Chrysler paid for it.
#1446 of 2824 Re: Fusion [littlez]
Dec 03, 2005 (5:52 pm)
I know that Chrysler paid for the first tranny replacement under warrantee, however the warantee had an $100 deductible after some time/milage that was lower than when my car's problem occured.
#1447 of 2824 Re: Fusion [backy]
Dec 03, 2005 (5:58 pm)
Most of these problems were not listed as recalls. Somehow, early on, some imports were able to avoid recalls. I don't know how, but they did.
Go to www.auto.consumerguide.com
I'm done on the site for a while.
Nice chatting with all of you.
Dec 03, 2005 (6:03 pm)
Perception or reality?. Here are reliability history data from MSN.com
1998 – 2002 Accord has significant problems with transmission/driveline and moderate problems with engines.
1998 – 2002 Camry has significant problems with engine.
1998 – 2002 Ford Taurus has moderate problems with engines and moderate problems with accessories.
1998 – 2001 Sonata only has moderate problems with engines while 2002 Sonata has an excellent record.