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Good for Freestyle/CVT by mfkoerschner
Feb 25, 2007 (7:43 pm)
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I'm pleased with EPA's change in methodology. It makes sense.
 
I live in a very hilly area (Asheville, NC) and chose a 2005 FWD Freestyle for the CVT. I've driven hybrids (prius/escape/insight) around here and they get nowhere near their purported mileages because on grades they're hauling two systems uphill (they're heavier).
 
I was pleased to compare the Freestyle's new nos. to the Hondas, Toyotas, and Nissans. The new test favors the CVT. See for yourself at fueleconomy.gov
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [bruneau1] by dnash
Feb 26, 2007 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: bruneau1 (Feb 25, 2007 11:44 am)

Why place the burden on the manufacturer. Why not create a FAFE and give each family a target to reach?
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [dnash] by stevedebi
Feb 26, 2007 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: dnash (Feb 26, 2007 7:10 am)

"Why place the burden on the manufacturer. Why not create a FAFE and give each family a target to reach?"
 
Probably because the mechanical and automotive engineers work for the manufacturers, not the families, and most families do not have the resources to develop MPG solutions.
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [stevedebi] by dnash
Feb 27, 2007 (6:47 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 26, 2007 9:25 am)

While I was kidding (well halfway anyway), families can choose to buy more efficient vehicles and drive the market. Choose a crossover instead of an SUV or pick a focus for the daily commute. There are a lot of options and changing the environmental impact of autos should start at the lowest level possible.
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [dnash] by bruneau1
Feb 27, 2007 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: dnash (Feb 27, 2007 6:47 am)

Raise the CAFE standards or tax more. It meeds to start at the top.
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [dnash] by stevedebi
Feb 27, 2007 (12:09 pm)
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Replying to: dnash (Feb 27, 2007 6:47 am)

"There are a lot of options and changing the environmental impact of autos should start at the lowest level possible."
 
Only if people care about such things, it is a free country... and should remain so.
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [stevedebi] by coldcranker
Feb 27, 2007 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 27, 2007 12:09 pm)

People don't like higher MPG compared to power (acceleration). Look at how almost everybody complains that the Freestyle only goes 0-60 in 8.6 seconds, when they say it should do it in 8.0 seconds. To do this would mean a more powerful (TaurusX) engine that makes MPG fuel economy worse. Thats what the people demand, thats what they get. In truth, they make fun of Al Gore and drive their Hummer through protected wetlands anyway. Its an inconvenient truth about people's behavior.
 
One request to posters on this forum: This is a Freestyle forum, so post at least one fact about the Freestyle per post, please. Like: "vote democrat, and my Freestyle gets 27 MPG on the highway" or something like that.
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [stevedebi] by dnash
Feb 28, 2007 (6:39 am)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 27, 2007 12:09 pm)

So are you saying that it should be free for people to do whatever we want to the environment, but not free for companies to make money as they choose. It would be one thing if we were talking about the polution that is being created by the manufacture of the vehicle (which I am sure there is some), but we aren't. To paraphrase another argument, cars don't create polution, people create polution.
 
As a Freestyle fact, I have gotten a bit over 25 mpg a couple of times on 500 mile trips at 70-75 mph. These were about 75% interstate and 25% country roads (with a few small towns and many hills and no I didn't do 70-75 on the country roads)
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [dnash] by stevedebi
Feb 28, 2007 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: dnash (Feb 28, 2007 6:39 am)

"So are you saying that it should be free for people to do whatever we want to the environment, but not free for companies to make money as they choose. It would be one thing if we were talking about the polution that is being created by the manufacture of the vehicle (which I am sure there is some), but we aren't. To paraphrase another argument, cars don't create polution, people create polution."
 
My original comments were in response to a post which intimated that people should have to use less, and should be viewed in that context.
 
I think both companies and people are pretty much free to do as they choose. The Companies have to meet EPA rules due to air quality, and the people decide which vehicles will sell, by their purchasing decisions. My view is that the companies should step up to the plate and develop the technologies of the future. I get concerned when people speak of "forcing" (they don't use the word, but that is what they mean) people to do something, regardless of if the issue is the environment or anything else.
 
The FS is a case in point. Ford deployed a vehicle with decent MPG for the size and weight, and yet the main thing one hears from reviewers (and many customers) is - more power. So Ford is providing that power in the form of a larger V6 and conventional transmission. I don't think many people want to sacrifice power for economy at this point in time, and I disagree with any effort to "make" them change.
 
2006 SEL FWD: I get about 25 MPG 80 MPH on pure interstate driving - great for such a large vehicle and cross - section.
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Re: Don't Miss the Whole Point ....Re: Fuel Econonmy [stevedebi] by dnash
Feb 28, 2007 (2:54 pm)
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Replying to: stevedebi (Feb 28, 2007 8:44 am)

I understand where you are coming from, but my original comment on FAFE was in response to a post about increasing the CAFE requirements on the manufacturer. You state that companies are pretty much "...free to do as they choose." and then follow that with "The Companies have to meet EPA rules..." which is a contradiction. I agree that companies "should" step up to the plate but EPA rules (well NHTSA rules based on EPA testing) are trying to force it. While I like personal freedom, I don't agree that companies or people should be allowed to do things unchecked that have ramifications to others.
 
With that in mind, it is the driver that creates the pollution, not the manufacturer of the car. FAFE was a joke but I have a problem with the way that this issue is always pushed at the manufacturers rather than the users. We don't just have to focus it on cars. We could extend it to your total pollution emissions, including the power you use in your home (Al Gore would be in trouble) or the exhaust from your lawnmower. You get to make a certain amount of pollution and thats it. I know that is extreme and unenforceable, but imho is much more fair than the current systems we have in place or that are being proposed. Sometimes things have to be forced for the common good. That's why I am not allowed to go around randomly firing bullets or putting my trash in the local park. Somewhere out there there is a happy medium between freedom and the common good but who knows if we will ever find it. Most people would agree that we need to help the environment (at least I hope so) but like you stated, they want more power in their car. I like my power as much as the next guy but I agree the Freestyle has plenty of power for what it is designed to do.
 
I feel like I am rambling so I will end it with another Freestyle fact. I tend to average about 18MPG on my 4 mile city driving commute to work with several instances of accelerating on a highway only to soon stop. That is 3-4 MPG better than my Wrangler.

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