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Ford Freestyle, SUV
#1291 of 1415 Re: A couple of issues with our 2006 [sycamoreken]
Jul 16, 2009 (4:26 pm)
There are occasional problems with the "throttle-by-wire" system on the Freestyle reported by some owners. That might be what you are seeing. Your foot on the accel pedal actually sends an electrical (not mechanical) signal to the engine. The accel pedal is directly connected to an integral transducer, and that might be the part that is going awry here. Also, the engine itself must receive the electrical signal via a sensor to command the engine throttle to move, so there might be problems on that end. A Ford technician is accustomed to these issues, since Ford has been using the throttle-by-wire system. I think there may be Technical Service Bulletins published by Ford for use by technicians to help guide them through diagnosis/replacement. A Ford dealership (service advisor) might be able to find that Technical Service Bulletin through a keyword search on their computers into that database.
#1292 of 1415 Re: A couple of issues with our 2006 [sycamoreken]
Jul 16, 2009 (4:38 pm)
There was a discussion between myself and jrmust (among others) Click Here to view.
The throttle body sensor (on the engine) and the accel pedal transducer are both possible failure points, and the discussion and Technical Service Bulletins cited may help you in a conversation with a Ford technician. Possible anyway.
#1293 of 1415 Worn upper motor mount, transaxle roll resistor, torque strut
Jul 17, 2009 (10:06 am)
that part is worn/cracked on our 2005 FS (56k mls). It's in the repair shop right now and replacement will be around $500 as it is not covered by the ESP. I didn't find anything related on here but on another forum
Seems to be not uncommon and a bit early for them to wear out. Does anyone know if there's a TSB out (couldn't find one)? Should i complain and try to get some money back or do i just have to accept it?
#1294 of 1415 Re: Worn upper motor mount, transaxle roll resistor, torque strut [carstenb
Jul 17, 2009 (12:29 pm)
I did a bing.com search (starting to like that better than google.com) and found a cool PDF file some Freestyle owners may want to peruse. Click Here for article.
Back on carstenb's subject (#1293 above), rockauto.com sells a motor mount (articulated bushing) for $71. Couldn't find the torque strut or transaxle roll resistor for sale anywhere.
Caution: It seems very unlikely that all three of these would suddenly go bad at the same time. I wonder if the repair shop is putting their thumb on the scales here. A little extra business for them. I'd ask for the old parts back, although, if this is fraud, they might be able to rough the old parts up a little to fake wear. Just suspicious. Those parts normally break if the vehicle is operated over rough roads, but even then its incredibly rare for all three to fail at the same time, and especially after just 56k miles. Has the car hit any severe bumps recently? Those mounts and torque structural elements get stressed heavily when curbs or railroad tracks are hit hard, or just rough roads.
I think if you complain to Ford it will go nowhere.
#1295 of 1415 Re: Worn upper motor mount, transaxle roll resistor, torque strut [carstenb [coldcranker]
Jul 17, 2009 (4:16 pm)
sorry, the title was a bit misleading. i was just talking about the one mount but found those three names for it.
it's the one shown in the link in my first post.
the car's just back from the repair. $214 for the part (it is huge and includes the aluminum bracket) and $306 for the work
the problem seems to be that if that one fails the other rubber mounts are going to fail soon as well.
oh, the master brake cylinder was replaced as well. the brake pedal feel got really mushy over the past months and made a squeekie and grinding sound. fortunately that was covered by the ESP...
#1296 of 1415 Roll Restrictor 6F055
Jul 20, 2009 (9:12 am)
OK, the Roll Restrictor is part number 6F055, thats the one you mean.
I just looked at mine, 4 years and 51,000 miles in a Colorado 6,000 ft altitude climate, and it looks 90% new. Just a few millimeter-sized cracks starting on the intake manifold side, and zero cracks on the battery side of that chunky rubber bushing.
Seems very cold weather could make it brittle and susceptible to cracking, or a manufacturing material rubber formula defect could make it crappy, too.
Are you in a cold climate? Although mine is garaged at night, it has seen a few single digit Fahrenheit temps and doesn't show the excessive aging/stressing yours has.
It would be nice if they made that piece of rubber replaceable, but they make you buy the whole aluminum bracket, too.
#1297 of 1415 Re: Roll Restrictor 6F055 [coldcranker]
Jul 22, 2009 (8:28 am)
thanks for looking that up. No, Houston is not really cold, more the opposite
I'd speculate that the poor and bumpy roads put some stress on the rubber Or my wife's driving style
The technician said they've changed the part number so the new ones might be more durable.
I agree, it would be much easier and cheaper to just replace the rubber piece. You need to remove many parts to get to the bolts at the bottom of the bracket and the part seems to be only available through Ford.
#1298 of 1415 Re: Worn upper motor mount, transaxle roll resistor, torque strut [carstenb]
Jul 22, 2009 (7:35 pm)
From carstenb's excellent pictures, both above and on his links to the myfordfreestyle web pages, it looks like the problem is the rubber formulation. I've worked on a few antique cars ('41 Chevies, etc.) and it looks like the small cracks in the high resolution photos, and crumbling bits on top of that, indicate this thing aged very quickly. Once aged, turning brittle, it then gave way and thats why we see the big cracks. This part opposes engine torque, so every time the car accelerates, the rubber in there gets stressed. Of course, Ford says its past warranty so there is no hope there.