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5W20 oil? by saabturboid
Feb 09, 2006 (3:04 pm)
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I'm a little concerned about Ford's 5W20 oil recommendation. A 20 weight oil does not have nearly the film protection of a 30 or 40 weight oil which helps protect the moving parts of the engine. My concern is Ford's goal is to simply get people through the warranty period and they don't care if engines wear out prematurely down the road. In fact they may like that to happen so people will go buy a new Ford. Another factor is that a lower viscosity oil will provide slightly better fuel economy. With each manufacturer bumping up against the C.A.F.E. standards I suspect Ford specified 5W20 oil to help keep their fleet under the limit. Personally, I plan to use 5W30 Mobil 1 in my Freestyle.
 
What are others opinions of this?
 
- Chad
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Re: 5W20 oil? [saabturboid] by coldcranker
Feb 09, 2006 (6:08 pm)
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Replying to: saabturboid (Feb 09, 2006 3:04 pm)

"I'm a little concerned about Ford's 5W20 oil recommendation.........."
 
You are exactly right about the CAFE standards and Ford's strategy to buy them a little mpg for their fleet averages. I actually saw the legal conformance letter the EPA and Ford both drafted (on the web). The EPA allows the 5w-20 spec on the condition that Ford print "5w-20" on the filler cap and specifiy it in the owner's manual with no wiggle room in their language. Mobil 1 is a good choice, although I'd use Castrol Syntec 0w-30 (has the 30 weight high-temp film) but flows better when cold due to the 0w part. That brand and weight are available at Autozone. That oil is famous for better performance specs amongst all known oils ( google german castrol syntec for more information). Its known as German castrol because it is made there and people in Europe, who change their oil once a year and drive fast on the autobahn, use it.
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Re: 5W20 oil? [coldcranker] by bobw3
Feb 10, 2006 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Feb 09, 2006 6:08 pm)

So does this mean that it's better to use 10W30 in our Freestyle. I want to do what's best in the long run for the engine.
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Re: 5W20 oil? [bobw3] by passat_2002
Feb 10, 2006 (5:01 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 10, 2006 11:07 am)

No need to obsess about viscosity guys. If Ford Motor recommends 5W-20 for the Duratec, that's good enough for me. Honda has gone to a 5W-20 recommendation on most of their engines too.
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Re: 5W20 oil? [passat_2002] by saabturboid
Feb 11, 2006 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Feb 10, 2006 5:01 pm)

I don't think it is obsessing to want to get the best performance and longevity out of ones engine. I'm sure the 5w20 is fine for most conditions and situations when an engine is newer, but as engines wear the gaps between moving parts increase and a 20 weight oil doesn't have as much protection as a heaver weight oil. This eventually will cause the engine to wear out faster than it otherwise would.
 
In my opinion putting 5W30 full synthetic oil in my Freestyle has the upside of better protection for the engine with little or no downsides. By going with a full synthetic the minimal additional fuel economy gains of a lighter oil are negated. Maybe it just helps me sleep better at night but I guess I feel why wouldn't you?
 
- Chad
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Re: 5W20 oil? [saabturboid] by coldcranker
Feb 11, 2006 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: saabturboid (Feb 11, 2006 6:24 am)

I agree. When I had a high-mileage Windstar, I was using Mobil 1 0w-40 to fill the higher clearances in there. There is a lot of evidence in the engineering world that slightly more viscosity does give more protection under high-load, low-rpm situations. Start-up time is when the most dry scraping happens inside the engine. I was impressed with the German Castrol Syntec 0w-30's pour point (-76 def F) (Autozone sells it in the USA for us) and also Chevron's 0w-30 of about the same. I spoke to a Canadian oil company a few years ago and they said most engine wear comes from start-up wear, not running wear anyway. So something that flows well at low temperatures is really the main thing. Seems like higher viscosity (30) in our case might help us a little during low-rpm, high-torque situations, due to the ability for high visc to maintain the oil film then.
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CAFE fleet average fuel economy...Re: 5W20 oil? [saabturboid] by coldcranker
Feb 11, 2006 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: saabturboid (Feb 11, 2006 6:24 am)

And keep in mind the real reason 5w-20 is specified is because Ford wants to get better corporate average fuel economy to avoid fines from the EPA. I saw the letter the EPA and Ford agreed to, essentially an agreement where Ford said they would call for 5w-20 exclusively in their owner's manual and print it on the oil filler cap in exchange for getting the (about 0.2 mpg per vehicle) higher mpg figures.
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Re: CAFE fleet average fuel economy...Re: 5W20 oil? [coldcranker] by passat_2002
Feb 11, 2006 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: coldcranker (Feb 11, 2006 9:55 am)

So then you're saying that I'll get better gas mileage if I just use the 5W-20 that Ford recommends. Is that it?
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Re: CAFE fleet average fuel economy...Re: 5W20 oil? [passat_2002] by coldcranker
Feb 12, 2006 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: passat_2002 (Feb 11, 2006 2:38 pm)

Yes, the "20" part means the engine runs with less resistance compared to a 30 weight, and hence uses slightly less gas and gets slightly better performance (horsepower & acceleration). It is slight. I've heard Ford gets about a 0.2 or 0.1 mpg advantage specifying the 20.
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Re: 5W20 oil? [bobw3] by coldcranker
Feb 12, 2006 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Feb 10, 2006 11:07 am)

"So does this mean that it's better to use 10W30 in our Freestyle. I want to do what's best in the long run for the engine. "
 
Reply: The 10w part is not good unless the temperature is always above about 40 degrees F. In most N. American areas, its better to use a 0w-30, like Castrol Syntec 0w-30 sold at Autozone, and some Walmarts. The 0w part says it will do the best thats possible at winter temperatures when starting up. The 30 part says it won't thin out quite as much hot as a 20 would. That said, most people would still be OK with Mobil 1 5w-20. Its only the people who want a slight edge that will go with 0w-30 Castrol Syntec.

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