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#64 of 83
Re: Live Video of Volvo S40 vs BMW 330i [fedlawman] by cubanomx
May 31, 2007 (10:20 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (May 31, 2007 9:37 am)

"The Volvo S40 T5 is certainly a quick car, but I don't think it's any quicker than a properly driven 330i"
 
Sorry but you are terrible wrong. The 330i do 0-100 in 7.8 seconds, the Volvo S40 T5 do 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. Now imagine this T5 you see on the video is a modded chip with 270 hp (this is 50hp more than the default). Just imagine that. The Volvo just "play" with that BMW.
 
See the BMW specs here:
 
http://www.terra.com.ar/canales/pruebas/16/16891.html
#65 of 83
Re: Price [dhanley] by cubanomx
May 31, 2007 (10:40 am)
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Replying to: dhanley (Jul 28, 2005 7:56 am)

In Mexico I pay 36,000 USD for my T5 (fwd) with the following "add ons":
 
Dynamic Stability and Traction Control (DSTC)
Front Fog Lights in Front Spoiler
Bi-Xenon Headlamps
Electric Moonroof
Supreme Audio Package for T5 (6 cd changer + Premium Audio w 12 speakers / 2 EQ + Dolby ProLogic2 + extra Power
 
supply + Power amplifier + Subwoofer)
17 rims
Front and rear fog lights
Lateral laminated windows
Power-Adjustable Driver and Passenger Seat, (8-Way with Lumbar Support w 3 Memories for driver)
5-Speed ''Geartronic'' Microprocessor-Controlled Automatic with ''Auto-Stick'' Function
T5 rear spoiler
Trip Computer w Driver Information Display
Full Leather
 
The 330i with same features cost about 10,000 more...
#66 of 83
sorry bmw by bons
Jun 21, 2007 (9:27 am)
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sorry bmw is no match for volvo in the long run
 
let just say bmw can go 0-60mph faster, but after about 150K miles the bmw engine is gone.
 
Volvo on the other runs just as fast, a lot safer, and it will keep going and going and going and going.....500K miles is the norm for Volvo
#67 of 83
Re: sorry bmw [bons] by dhanley
Jun 21, 2007 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: bons (Jun 21, 2007 9:27 am)

"et just say bmw can go 0-60mph faster, but after about 150K miles the bmw engine is gone. "
 
http://www.autooninfo.net/RosterofHighMileageBMWs.htm
 
"Volvo on the other [...] a lot safer,"
 
Actually, BMW's been consistently beating volvo in crash tests recently.
 
http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/ncap/ncap_car_results.jsp?make=BMW&modelYear=3%20series:2005&publicationDate=2005-06-01
 
http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/ncap/ncap_car_results.jsp?make=Volvo&modelYear=S40:2004&publicationDate=2004-06-01
 
http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/ncap/ncap_car_results.jsp?make=Volvo&modelYear=S60:2001&publicationDate=2001-11-01
 
http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/ncap/ncap_car_results.jsp?make=BMW&modelYear=5%20series:2004&publicationDate=2004-11-01
#68 of 83
Re: sorry bmw [dhanley] by cubanomx
Jun 21, 2007 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: dhanley (Jun 21, 2007 9:48 am)

Volvo for life slogan exist because a meaning: Volvo are cars and trucks constructed to last and last forever. You can find BMW with 400,000+ miles but is not usual. Is more common on a Volvo. You can even see videos on youtube of people TRYING to destroy a volvo intentionally without success.
 
And about security: Volvo beat BMW, just check the S40, S60 and C90 qualifications.
#69 of 83
Re: sorry bmw [cubanomx] by dhanley
Jun 21, 2007 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: cubanomx (Jun 21, 2007 1:34 pm)

"Volvo for life slogan exist because a meaning"
 
Volvo for life is an advertising campaign. BMW's is "the ultimate driving machine." I could use _that_ to argue that volvo is inferior because it's not ultimate.
 
As for longevity, i don't think you guys are playing with real data:
 
http://www.desrosiers.ca/pdfs/2002/2002-4.pdf
 
In any case, both marquees do pretty well in this regard.
 
"And about security: Volvo beat BMW, just check the S40, S60 and C90 qualifications"
 
You'll have to explain why one should draw the opposite conclusions from the safety test results in regards to safety.
#70 of 83
Re: sorry bmw [dhanley] by cubanomx
Jun 21, 2007 (9:15 pm)
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Replying to: dhanley (Jun 21, 2007 1:45 pm)

Volvo is very well know by the security they provide. No other car manufacturer spend so much money than volvo on security analisis, testing and safe centers. You can search the video on youtube about the super big ammount of money they spend on security.
 
About the conclusions I base my words in a single fact: I see an S60 accident with a garbage truck when I purchased my brand new s40 last year. My eyes don't believe what I see... no doubt is a SAFE car. Volvo reputation is bassed on security and reliability (MACK and VOLVO trucks... see that)... I hear some stories about people having accidents and they save his life because they was driving a volvo.
 
I love BMW as well but a 330 cannot compete with a T5 AWD, this is a real fact.
#71 of 83
Re: sorry bmw [cubanomx] by dhanley
Jun 22, 2007 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: cubanomx (Jun 21, 2007 9:15 pm)

"Volvo is very well know by the security they provide. No other car manufacturer spend so much money than volvo on security analisis, testing and safe centers."
 
This may or may not be true(do you have numbers to back this up?), but this doesn't seem to be resulting in them building the safest cars, is it? Since i don't think any of you are disputing BMW's superior crash test scores?
#72 of 83
Re: sorry bmw [dhanley] by cubanomx
Jun 22, 2007 (12:40 pm)
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Replying to: dhanley (Jun 22, 2007 12:02 pm)

As I say before, the Volvo name has become synonymous with strength and reliability. See this $81 million dollar Volvo Safety Center, the most technologically advanced crash-test facility in the world:
 
http://www.driveandstayalive.com/info%20section/crash%20testing/crash-testing-centers_volvo.htm
 
"Volvo's crash laboratory is the most advanced in the world. It has two test tracks, one permanent and one movable, which can be turned by as much as 90 degrees. Advanced laser technology ensures that every test is conducted with millimeter precision. Sensors and high-speed cameras document events. The ability to combine two tracks makes the laboratory at the Volvo Cars Safety Centre unique. In addition, Volvo's high-tech collision barriers, which weigh 800 metric tons (881 short tons), can be moved into position using air cushions, making it is possible to re-create many different accident situations"
   
Volvo have an "Unique Crash Simulator". Volvo also has invested in a unique physical crash simulator in which real-life collisions can be simulated without destroying the car body itself
 
See the first fully SUV rollover Volvo crash laboratory and how amazing the passenger cage is designed:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNITUm3WA8
 
See the frontal impact motor absortion design and 4 steel security basis from Volvo:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwjwEwUPzwA&mode=related&search=
 
And personal security is getting important too. Volvo wins award for innovative security technology on 2007: "Volvo’s unique Personal Car Communicator" with heartbeat sensors:
 
http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/Volvo/article-123069.html
 
Volvo: "It is associated with the Group’s core values – quality, safety and environmental care"
 
Volvo is a pioneer in the security fields in cars. see:
 
Volvo was the first company to produce cars with padded dashboards
 
Volvo developed the first rear-facing child seat
 
Volvo introduced the first central high-mounted stoplight
 
Volvo introduced the introduced the first three-point seatbelt for the middle of the rear seat and a child safety cushion integrated in the middle armrest
 
Volvo in 1991 came the introduction of the Side Impact Protection System (SIPS)
 
Volvo introduced its Whiplash Protection System (WHIPS)
 
In 2004 Volvo introduced the BLIS system
 
Security in a Volvo new models is beyond imagination: The all new Volvo S80 is also the first Volvo model to feature Adaptive cruise control (ACC) with Collision Warning and Brake Support (CWBS)
 
So as you can see, yes. Volvo is s secure car, no doubt.
#73 of 83
Re: sorry bmw [cubanomx] by dhanley
Jun 22, 2007 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: cubanomx (Jun 22, 2007 12:40 pm)

Yes, that's all awesome. But until volvo starts being best in class in safety tests, i'm not going to accept that they blow other manufacturers away in safety. It's like insisting you have the best team in baseball despite the fact you missed the playoffs, because you spent the most on your players.
 
Bear in mind, a lot of the technology that's so impressing you is advertising jargon, and all the other "safe" manufacturers are doing it too, just using different names. You seem to think volvo has some usiqueness in doing safety testing. Maybe they were pioneers 30-40 years ago, but that doesn't mean they have the safest cars on the road today.

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