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Hyundai Tucson, SUV
#98 of 295 Re: price quote-is it a good one or do I dicker [rxcapt]
Oct 26, 2005 (8:05 pm)
Your point about the Hyundai rate is a great point and is what caused the problem for me at Herb Connolly when I was negotiating on the 2006 Tucson Limited. I have a loan commitment for 5%, and the Hyundai rate was quite a bit higher. I was financing over five years and estimated that the Hyundai rate would cost me about $750 extra over that time, thus reducing the $1k rebate to only $250. That is why the salesman (in my estimation) refused to tell me the rate. He wanted my deposit first, and then a few days later I would find out that the rate was 8% - which is what the sales manager told me the rate was as I drove away without buying the car from them.
#99 of 295 Re: price quote-is it a good one or do I dicker [rxcapt]
Oct 27, 2005 (2:22 pm)
Rick, I went in today and picked up a 2005 lx to take overnight. The guy I was supposed to see could not be there early, so he left me a message last night to see another guy that works with him. I forgot the name of the person, so when I went in to the showroom, they just started spouting names. No one seemed to know what it was about. I ended up with a salesperson that figured my salesman sent me to him. Any way, They pretty much gave me no reason to expect anymore off. I asked the price of the extended factory warranty and got an off the cuff 1500 but theirs is just as good and less expensive, by the manager. I hate the red, and the blue they offered was waiting on a radio, seems, someone crossed wires and blew the battery and radio.
Boy now I'm really getting nervous. I think they could do better than they have done. I haven't had leather interior before, and am not sure my life style works with it. (hauling plants and things around. I keep a car forever, my subaru legacy is 11 years old, and I'm only getting a new car, because I'm told by my husband --it's time. I'm not too confident about Jones Junction in Bel Air. That's where I ended up. My daughter got a Elentra in July from Jack Giambalvo in York, Pa. They were nice; but the sales guy seems so out of it. he never seems to know what they have or what price they can give me. I feel like I.m pulling teeth when I talk to him. Anyway to force them to give their best deal and stop goofing around?
#100 of 295 Re: price quote-is it a good one or do I dicker [rosemarie11]
Oct 27, 2005 (5:41 pm)
There are three Hyundai dealerships in the Boston area. The one in Wilmington was completely out to lunch on their prices, and getting them to ever call me back was impossible. I just kept calling Clay and Connolly, always dealing with the internet salesperson, and played them off against each other. I refused to come in to the showroom without at least a verbal price approval from the manager. Make sure that you know of all the rebates from edmunds. I also looked over prices paid to get an idea of where other prices were at & started on the very lowest side.
#101 of 295 Re: price quote-is it a good one or do I dicker [rosemarie11]
Oct 27, 2005 (6:20 pm)
I would take it back first thing in the morning and say good-bye. They can do better. As soon as you walk out they will. Do not settle for what you don't want because you will regret it the whole time you own your car...and that can be along time. Again I went to Fitzgerald. I told them what I wanted, we went over things, the car I wanted wasn't there but within 24hrs they had one from Len Storer Hyundai brought down for me.
As for the leather, in my opinion it is better than cloth. But that is my opinion. I am assuming you only haul plants in the back and not up in the real passenger area. After I got my Tucson I broke it in by carrying 20 bags of pine bark mulch, I just drop the back seat and lay a blanket down, done and done.
Rosemarie, there are other Hyundai dealers out there who would be happy to sell you a car. You can buy it anywhere and take it anywhere for service. The loyalty stuff is just like mulch, something you spread around. As for a non-factory dealer based warranty, I had one from Kline Ford on my Taurus I had back in the 90s. It was a dealer warranty, but then they moved 30miles away and the new Ford dealer did not want to honor it. If you get the factory warranty any Hyundai dealer has to honor it. Buying an off brand dealer warranty is risky, sure they will jack up the Hyundai extended warranty to make theirs look attractive, that way they don't have to share the money with Hyundai. Call Hyundai directly (check the website under the tucson screen). $1500 is way way too much. Again I got mine for exactly $1028. I know some people who got it down to $900. Tell them you know they are trying to pull something and that you are not buying. They are the ones who need to sell not you.
#102 of 295 Bad experience at Herb Connolly Hyundai
Nov 10, 2005 (6:31 am)
I also had a terrible experience at Herb Connolly that lasted from 10-30 thru 11-4. I went there with my daughter to cosign a loan for her. I have excellent credit hers is not very good. After being told she could not purchase a new Tuson at the price she was willing to pay, they showed her a used 2004 Santa Fee and assured her they could get her in that car for the price she wanted to pay. She test drove the car and we agreed. they sent us out to lunch and promised when we returned the car would be ready and she could take it home. Not only did she not take it home we had to hound them several times daily for the entire next week. I spoke to everyone, including managers, sales managers, finance managers, all we could get was that they were working on the credit, because of my daughter's poor credit it would take sometime. Finally we demanded that we would come in on Friday 11/4 to pick up the car or get our deposit back. When we went in they had upped the price 70 per month (because they could not go 72 months, could only go 60) and told me that they had to take me off the credit app and put in my daughters name only. Also, the bank would not agree to the car she wanted so they chose another car (not an suv) for her. This other car was another year older and had 47,000 miles. Totally unacceptable. We demanded our deposit back, they issued the credit on my credit card for 200, I had left a deposit of 500. When I pointed out the error they then credited the additional 300. We have since gone to Empire Hyundai in Fall River and purchased a 2006 Tuscon, with me as a co applicant on the loan we spent 3 hours there and went home with the car. DO NOT EVER DO BUSINESS WITH HER CONNOLLY. Does anyone know who I can complain to. We plan to write to the President and to the Hyundai manufacturer to complain.
#103 of 295 Re: you guys out west get all the deals [andrelaplume]
Nov 10, 2005 (7:56 pm)
I am checking out the Tuscon. First, it is not 6K less than the CRV...top of the line CRV maybe but not all. Still it is CHEAPER.
Some questions as a person who just started looking.
1) Do they have a model that has color coded cladding or is it always black. I hated those black bumpers on the CRV too!
2) Do they sell extended warranty's? We usually get 7 - 8 years coverage. I know it comes with 5? What does a 0 deductible 7/75 warranty cost...I realize it is really a 2 year extension but do they sell them?
3) What is gas mileage like in the 6 cylinder.
4) Is the rear seating and cargo as roomy as the CRV.
5) Is it worth waiting for an 06? Are any changes expected?
We seriously looked at a Tucson. We would have taken delivery if the interior color on the car they acquired from another dealer was correct. We had second thoughts about Hyundai reliability and got a CRV-SE instead. I also did the math regarding lower purchase price of the Tucson vs. the better gas mileage of the CRV and since we are planning to keep the car for a long time (6-10 years), the better reliability and gas mileage of the Honda won out. We are very happy with our decision. The Honda also has much more cargo capacity. I must admit though, I do like the look of the Tucson better. And the auto-manual.
#104 of 295 Re: you guys out west get all the deals [sockpuppet1969]
Nov 11, 2005 (4:31 am)
3-Not too good.
4-Seating yes, cargo no.
5-If you want color coded cladding, you have to go to 06.
#105 of 295 Re: you guys out west get all the deals [sockpuppet1969]
Nov 11, 2005 (8:00 pm)
1.) Color cladding is coming, but The cladding on Tucson looks very sharp and is not like some others.
2.) Yes they sell an extended warranty. The standard powertrain warranty (engine/transmission) is 10yrs/100,000. For about $1000 you can get the entire car for 10yrs/100,000 (some dealers will go as low as $900 on the warranty).
3.) I have about 4,500 miles on my V6 Tucson and here in the DC Metro area, mostly trips less than 20 miles in traffic, I get about 20mpg. On a trip down to Va. Beach (~200miles) I got about 22-24mpg. Not too bad, but it is not a fuel mizer. It really needs a 5speed for long trips, but they do not offer one (yet).
4.) I am tall and I think the rear seating is fine in Tucson. As for cargo I have carried a fair amount of odd sized stuff in mine, including about 15 bags of pine bark mulch, Easy to load and unload.
5.) I would not expect a big change in 2006. There are rumors of a new engine, and possibly a 5 speed coming but that may not be until 2007-not sure. I throughly enjoy mine.
The CR-V is fine, but to be honest, it seems a bit tinny in construction, especially the doors seem weak. The Tucson is very stable and feels solid to drive. It is no sports car make no mistake. As for the comments about reliability, I would mention something the CR-V salesman told me when I told him I was looking at a Tucson, he sneered and said "If you make a good car you don't need a good warranty". To which I said "If you make a good car you can AFFORD a good warranty." Obviously we did not have a good test drive after that, hope this helps!
#106 of 295 Re: you guys out west get all the deals [rxcapt]
Nov 11, 2005 (8:09 pm)
If you implying that the Tucson will be just as reliable as the CRV and that Honda could not afford to warrantee the CRV for 10 years, I disagree. Honda does not need to offer a 10 year warranty in order to sell the car. Hyundai does.
#107 of 295 Re: you guys out west get all the deals [sockpuppet1969]
Nov 12, 2005 (6:17 am)
You are right, Honda does not NEED to offer a 10 year warranty to sell their cars. If they can sell without it, it is more money in their pocket and less in yours...
All this is question of perception. Hyundai is still somewhat stuck with the image of the Pony. Even tough their cars are just as reliable as any others today, the perception is still there and to shake away this perception, they have to provide a longer warranty.
Honda, on the other hand, sells on the excellent reputation they built in the 80's and 90's. In those years their cars were so much more reliable than the american and european cars that the public still perceive them today as more reliable than most others. They may still have an edge but at most it is a very small one. They have cut cost a lot in the last few years...
With the much lower price and longer warranty of the Tucson, for me the choice was obvious.